Also, is this lady just a Trump copycat or what? As soon as he won the election she was starting holding press conferences and parroting his rhetoric Now a day after Trump attacks the "liberal media " she does the same.
For the last two days one of the the lead stories on the CBC website has been that at a private party somewhere in Canada, some young people dressed up in racial and cultural stereotypes. This has spawned four articles. I'm not aboard this "lamestream media" and "liberal media" train normally, but either I'm just an out of touch old(ish) white male, or this obsession with identity politics is getting ridiculous.
"Zipperfish" said For the last two days one of the the lead stories on the CBC website has been that at a private party somewhere in Canada, some young people dressed up in racial and cultural stereotypes. This has spawned four articles. I'm not aboard this "lamestream media" and "liberal media" train normally, but either I'm just an out of touch old(ish) white male, or this obsession with identity politics is getting ridiculous.
Bernie Sanders said the exact same thing the other day, that the Dem coalition that didn't bother to include white working class and middle class voters was what cost them the election and that they needed to ditch the identity grievances in favour of a grander class-based and class-focused strategy that included disaffected whites. Of course he'll be sloughed off because there's nothing a wealthy white liberal, of the kind that gets upset at incorrect Halloween costumes, likes more than pointing their fingers at the white people beneath them on the respectability scale.
I'm out of this one because I don't care anymore and my fate is sealed. But everyone laughed at Trump at the beginning and look where he was sitting when it was all over. The same thing could happen for Leitch because the same forces of isolation, anger, and a sense of being surplus to society's needs exist in Canada as much as they do in the US. can happen now.
The problem with Liberals now is that they present so-called "working class" issues, but then talk about and address issues that don't matter.
Is anyone trying to put food on their tables giving a second thought about the Health Cards in Ontario being "non gendered"? To most people it is comical, a non-issue. How about the late mortgage payments, will that be more or less important than wanting to save the earth from environmental damages? Now people are paying a steep price in Ontario when they receive their hydro bills thanks in part to horrible mismanagement and government intervention in the free market.
In short, some, not all, on the left are totally out of touch. They are proposing ideas and concepts that people don't care about. We want a fair democracy, justice system, basic human rights and economic success. In America, they have their media elites in Washington, LA and New York, in Canada we have the same in Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver. They don't have a clue about the rest of the country.
This lady isn't interesting to me, but she is taking a calculated risk. I have listened to her speak and she is definitely intelligent, so, I have to think she isn't inherently prejudiced or out of her tree. She is facing uphill odds like Trump was so she is trying to replicate it. One of her campaigns managers is the same one who helped Rob Ford I believe.
Finally, to her point; really, what is wrong with the elimination of state run media? At least minimized. Discuss real issues that people care about and stop trying to form peoples beliefs. This method has ran it's course, the internet has destroyed this old method of indoctrination. We don't need safe spaces, in fact, they are precisely what is wrong today. We want facts, not teddy bears and b.s.
"ShepherdsDog" said Let's just hope it doesn't take the shot that's happening in Europe to inspire real and meaningful change that doesn't go too far.
At this stage at least one kristallnacht type of event, most likely against Muslims, in a European country is inevitable. Maybe even in the United States too. In the rush to condemn the rise of the far right the liberals seem to be ignoring the gorilla in the room in that if Muslims hadn't been engaging in multiple murderous acts of terrorism in North America and Europe for the past 24 years (from the WTC parkade bombing through to the inevitable mass sex assaults in Germany and Sweden again on the the upcoming New Years Eve) then the right wouldn't have this issue of horrible immigration policy to rally around. Pissed off at the guys with the shaved heads raising their right arms in salute becoming more and more of common place event? Well, look in the fucking mirror, libbos, because it was YOUR fucking insane beliefs and policies about importing the worst & most violent trash of the third-world into our countries with no concern at all about their inability to adapt to life here that made the return of the nasty men inevitable.
"Zipperfish" said For the last two days one of the the lead stories on the CBC website has been that at a private party somewhere in Canada, some young people dressed up in racial and cultural stereotypes. This has spawned four articles. I'm not aboard this "lamestream media" and "liberal media" train normally, but either I'm just an out of touch old(ish) white male, or this obsession with identity politics is getting ridiculous.
It's the latter. It's a good part of what's keeping many Natives in perpetual poverty. Their Chiefs are more concerned with playing identity politics than actually doing something for their people.
"Lemmy" said Leitch seems to be hitching her horse to a Trumpish strategy. It was bound to happen, but I didn't expect it to come from someone who's educated.
Reaching for the top while bashing the elites: Kellie Leitch picks up the cudgel
Tory leadership candidate’s strategy to denounce elites follows a well-worn path in U.S. politics
Neil Macdonald - CBC News
October 07, 2016
?Oddly enough, Kellie Leitch is an orthopedic pediatric surgeon with a master's degree in business administration. She's also a university professor, and helped found a graduate course of study at the Richard Ivey School.
I use "oddly," because despite that elite level of education and accomplishment, she's chosen to sit as an Opposition backbencher, and surely repairing the bodies and saving the lives of children is more rewarding work than clamouring for some attention in Ottawa, or, as Liberal minister Carolyn Bennett so succinctly called her time in opposition, "yapping."
Leitch did manage to attain the rank of labour minister for a couple of years under Stephen Harper, after a stint as a minister's assistant, but today, five years after she first won her seat, most Canadians probably have little idea who she is.
Which is a problem, because she wants to lead her party, and needs some recognition.
How Kellie Leitch and Justin Trudeau are defining themselves on immigration Canadians care about values, not just tax cuts, Kellie Leitch says Kellie Leitch calls comparisons with Donald Trump unfair So, she's not talking about reforms our health-care system desperately needs, or eliminating trade barriers, or the nosebleed levels of personal debt Canadians are carrying.
Instead, Dr. Kellie Leitch, surgeon and distinguished scholar at one of the best business schools in Canada, has decided to denounce "the elites."
Seriously.
Among the elites her campaign has targeted is Andrew Scheer, the former House Speaker, who also happens to be running for the party leadership. Scheer, a right-leaning conservative, is so elite that he holds a bachelor of arts degree, and except for six elite months working in insurance, has made a living getting elected to office.
Scheer demonstrated his hopeless elitism by announcing his campaign in, of all places, Ottawa's National Press Theatre, a notorious nexus of elitism, where, according to Nick Kouvalis, Leitch's campaign manager, he "pandered to the whinging media hordes."
According to Leitch, the media elites are always "blowing gaskets" about her campaign, because she's so outrageously patriotic and un-elite.
After posing for the cover of Maclean's magazine hoisting a big Canadian flag over her shoulder, she announced that "self-hating Canadian elites" were upset because they "can't stand the idea of a proud Conservative standing up for Canada."
That all reporters are elite, particularly the ones in Ottawa, is established conservative orthodoxy, but Leitch is now raising the question of what they hate more: themselves, or being Canadian.
Anyway, the line about the elite National Press Theatre (which, incidentally, Stephen Harper used, if only rarely) was pretty clever. Leitch's team was desperate for some coverage, and deliberately baiting the elite national media that way paid off.
The press gallery went for it like gannets, sort of the same way I'm doing here.
But tossing red meat — sorry, filet mignon — to the elite media isn't the point. The point is to convince the Conservative Party base it has a choice between that darned gal Kellie, who shops at the dollar store and loves a double-double at Timmy's, and the rest of the Tory contenders, who in all likelihood love hot yoga and hate hockey and read the Globe and Mail.
"Elitism is not a function of income or education," explains the Leitch strategist. "It's about being out of touch with average people."
Which is, actually, a very American view.
George W. Bush, the multimillionaire son of a multimillionaire, used to pose for cameras in jeans with a big belt buckle, endlessly clearing the same patch of brush on his Texas ranch. Because, you know, running the world means dealing with tiresome elites all day, and sometimes a man longs to carry a brushhook scythe out into the sun-blasted scrub.
Bush's principal campaign theme in 2004 was mocking Democrat John Kerry for being an elitist. Kerry windsurfed, for example, which only elites do, and, even worse, he speaks fluent French. (Bush speaks Spanish, which is manly.)
Senator Ted Cruz, who roared in Congress about the tyranny of the Washington elite, attended Princeton University and Harvard Law School.
Distinctly Bush President George W. Bush uses a chainsaw to cut up a hackberry tree on his ranch in Crawford, Texas, in August 2001. (Susan Walsh/Associated Press) Sarah Palin, who became rich pretending she spends her time running around in the wilderness shooting and skinning grizzly bears and moose, likes to divide America into "real Americans" and the elites, who aren't real Americans at all, because they live in places like New York or Los Angeles.
And of course Donald Trump somehow manages to be a non-elite Manhattan billionaire.
These people gush this nonsense because it works. The chumps buy it: Donald and Sarah and George and Ted are just like them.
In Canada, educated and wealthy politicians have certainly played the humble-origins game – Jean Chrétien was not actually a "little guy" with Chevrolet tastes, and Brian Mulroney did not come to Parliament from, as Pierre Trudeau once sarcastically noted, "a little log cabin on the Miramichi."
But harping on "elitism," which ultimately plays on envious contempt for any sort of learning or distinction, is relatively new here.
Make no mistake: Kellie Leitch is a charter member of the elite, and should be admired for it.
Accomplished, elite people in positions of leadership is a good and natural thing.
Common sense, while valuable, is no replacement for serious education. Only in the Tea Party world does running a gas station in Peoria qualify you to oversee monetary policy.
I'd prefer my heart specialist to be best in class, and so what if he, or she, arrives at work in a Porsche?
Kellie Leitch is rallying against ‘elites’ while holding a $500-a-person fundraiser organized by lawyers BY JASON FEKETE, OTTAWA CITIZEN ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: NOV 10, 2016
SASKATOON – Conservative leadership candidate Kellie Leitch, who has railed against rivals as out-of-touch “elites,” is holding a $500-a-person fundraiser in downtown Toronto Monday organized by high-profile Bay Street lawyers.
The event with some of Toronto’s corporate movers and shakers comes days after she sent an email that congratulated Donald Trump on his U.S. election victory, praised his anti-establishment message and declared “the elites are out of touch.”
Leitch and her campaign have made such remarks a keynote of their campaign. They have criticized Lisa Raitt for standing “with the left-wing media elite” and labelled Andrew Scheer as an “out-of-touch elite” for launching his leadership campaign at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa.
Monday’s fundraiser is being hosted by Stanley Hartt, a well-known corporate lawyer with the Toronto law firm Norton Rose Fulbright LLP and one-time chief of staff to prime minister Brian Mulroney.
The invitations were sent by Heather Zordel, a member of Leitch’s fundraising committee and another well-known lawyer who is a partner with Toronto firm Gardiner Roberts LLP. She specializes in corporate finance and securities regulation.
The fundraiser for Leitch, an Ontario MP and pediatric orthopedic surgeon, will take place at First Canadian Place in downtown Toronto, with a suggested donation of $500 a person. It is not mentioned on Leitch’s events page on her campaign website.
"Freakinoldguy" said Leitch seems to be hitching her horse to a Trumpish strategy. It was bound to happen, but I didn't expect it to come from someone who's educated.
Educated doesn't always equate to intelligent.
I wouldn't write her off yet. She is using the same tactics that Harper tried to win the last election with. And she saw how saying something outrageous every day kept Trumps name in the headlines without much cost to the campaign.
She's just floating cheap trial balloons and using the media to develop a platform based on popularity. It might work. Or it might turn out the same as it did for Harper unless she realizes we don't fall for divisive politics for very long.
Also, is this lady just a Trump copycat or what? As soon as he won the election she was starting holding press conferences and parroting his rhetoric Now a day after Trump attacks the "liberal media " she does the same.
For the last two days one of the the lead stories on the CBC website has been that at a private party somewhere in Canada, some young people dressed up in racial and cultural stereotypes. This has spawned four articles. I'm not aboard this "lamestream media" and "liberal media" train normally, but either I'm just an out of touch old(ish) white male, or this obsession with identity politics is getting ridiculous.
Bernie Sanders said the exact same thing the other day, that the Dem coalition that didn't bother to include white working class and middle class voters was what cost them the election and that they needed to ditch the identity grievances in favour of a grander class-based and class-focused strategy that included disaffected whites. Of course he'll be sloughed off because there's nothing a wealthy white liberal, of the kind that gets upset at incorrect Halloween costumes, likes more than pointing their fingers at the white people beneath them on the respectability scale.
I'm out of this one because I don't care anymore and my fate is sealed. But everyone laughed at Trump at the beginning and look where he was sitting when it was all over. The same thing could happen for Leitch because the same forces of isolation, anger, and a sense of being surplus to society's needs exist in Canada as much as they do in the US. can happen now.
Is anyone trying to put food on their tables giving a second thought about the Health Cards in Ontario being "non gendered"? To most people it is comical, a non-issue. How about the late mortgage payments, will that be more or less important than wanting to save the earth from environmental damages? Now people are paying a steep price in Ontario when they receive their hydro bills thanks in part to horrible mismanagement and government intervention in the free market.
In short, some, not all, on the left are totally out of touch. They are proposing ideas and concepts that people don't care about. We want a fair democracy, justice system, basic human rights and economic success. In America, they have their media elites in Washington, LA and New York, in Canada we have the same in Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver. They don't have a clue about the rest of the country.
This lady isn't interesting to me, but she is taking a calculated risk. I have listened to her speak and she is definitely intelligent, so, I have to think she isn't inherently prejudiced or out of her tree. She is facing uphill odds like Trump was so she is trying to replicate it. One of her campaigns managers is the same one who helped Rob Ford I believe.
Finally, to her point; really, what is wrong with the elimination of state run media? At least minimized. Discuss real issues that people care about and stop trying to form peoples beliefs. This method has ran it's course, the internet has destroyed this old method of indoctrination. We don't need safe spaces, in fact, they are precisely what is wrong today. We want facts, not teddy bears and b.s.
Let's just hope it doesn't take the shot that's happening in Europe to inspire real and meaningful change that doesn't go too far.
At this stage at least one kristallnacht type of event, most likely against Muslims, in a European country is inevitable. Maybe even in the United States too. In the rush to condemn the rise of the far right the liberals seem to be ignoring the gorilla in the room in that if Muslims hadn't been engaging in multiple murderous acts of terrorism in North America and Europe for the past 24 years (from the WTC parkade bombing through to the inevitable mass sex assaults in Germany and Sweden again on the the upcoming New Years Eve) then the right wouldn't have this issue of horrible immigration policy to rally around. Pissed off at the guys with the shaved heads raising their right arms in salute becoming more and more of common place event? Well, look in the fucking mirror, libbos, because it was YOUR fucking insane beliefs and policies about importing the worst & most violent trash of the third-world into our countries with no concern at all about their inability to adapt to life here that made the return of the nasty men inevitable.
For the last two days one of the the lead stories on the CBC website has been that at a private party somewhere in Canada, some young people dressed up in racial and cultural stereotypes. This has spawned four articles. I'm not aboard this "lamestream media" and "liberal media" train normally, but either I'm just an out of touch old(ish) white male, or this obsession with identity politics is getting ridiculous.
It's the latter. It's a good part of what's keeping many Natives in perpetual poverty. Their Chiefs are more concerned with playing identity politics than actually doing something for their people.
Leitch seems to be hitching her horse to a Trumpish strategy. It was bound to happen, but I didn't expect it to come from someone who's educated.
Educated doesn't always equate to intelligent.
Reaching for the top while bashing the elites: Kellie Leitch picks up the cudgel
Tory leadership candidate’s strategy to denounce elites follows a well-worn path in U.S. politics
Neil Macdonald - CBC News
October 07, 2016
?Oddly enough, Kellie Leitch is an orthopedic pediatric surgeon with a master's degree in business administration. She's also a university professor, and helped found a graduate course of study at the Richard Ivey School.
I use "oddly," because despite that elite level of education and accomplishment, she's chosen to sit as an Opposition backbencher, and surely repairing the bodies and saving the lives of children is more rewarding work than clamouring for some attention in Ottawa, or, as Liberal minister Carolyn Bennett so succinctly called her time in opposition, "yapping."
Leitch did manage to attain the rank of labour minister for a couple of years under Stephen Harper, after a stint as a minister's assistant, but today, five years after she first won her seat, most Canadians probably have little idea who she is.
Which is a problem, because she wants to lead her party, and needs some recognition.
How Kellie Leitch and Justin Trudeau are defining themselves on immigration
Canadians care about values, not just tax cuts, Kellie Leitch says
Kellie Leitch calls comparisons with Donald Trump unfair
So, she's not talking about reforms our health-care system desperately needs, or eliminating trade barriers, or the nosebleed levels of personal debt Canadians are carrying.
Instead, Dr. Kellie Leitch, surgeon and distinguished scholar at one of the best business schools in Canada, has decided to denounce "the elites."
Seriously.
Among the elites her campaign has targeted is Andrew Scheer, the former House Speaker, who also happens to be running for the party leadership. Scheer, a right-leaning conservative, is so elite that he holds a bachelor of arts degree, and except for six elite months working in insurance, has made a living getting elected to office.
Scheer demonstrated his hopeless elitism by announcing his campaign in, of all places, Ottawa's National Press Theatre, a notorious nexus of elitism, where, according to Nick Kouvalis, Leitch's campaign manager, he "pandered to the whinging media hordes."
According to Leitch, the media elites are always "blowing gaskets" about her campaign, because she's so outrageously patriotic and un-elite.
After posing for the cover of Maclean's magazine hoisting a big Canadian flag over her shoulder, she announced that "self-hating Canadian elites" were upset because they "can't stand the idea of a proud Conservative standing up for Canada."
That all reporters are elite, particularly the ones in Ottawa, is established conservative orthodoxy, but Leitch is now raising the question of what they hate more: themselves, or being Canadian.
Anyway, the line about the elite National Press Theatre (which, incidentally, Stephen Harper used, if only rarely) was pretty clever. Leitch's team was desperate for some coverage, and deliberately baiting the elite national media that way paid off.
The press gallery went for it like gannets, sort of the same way I'm doing here.
But tossing red meat — sorry, filet mignon — to the elite media isn't the point. The point is to convince the Conservative Party base it has a choice between that darned gal Kellie, who shops at the dollar store and loves a double-double at Timmy's, and the rest of the Tory contenders, who in all likelihood love hot yoga and hate hockey and read the Globe and Mail.
"Elitism is not a function of income or education," explains the Leitch strategist. "It's about being out of touch with average people."
Which is, actually, a very American view.
George W. Bush, the multimillionaire son of a multimillionaire, used to pose for cameras in jeans with a big belt buckle, endlessly clearing the same patch of brush on his Texas ranch. Because, you know, running the world means dealing with tiresome elites all day, and sometimes a man longs to carry a brushhook scythe out into the sun-blasted scrub.
Bush's principal campaign theme in 2004 was mocking Democrat John Kerry for being an elitist. Kerry windsurfed, for example, which only elites do, and, even worse, he speaks fluent French. (Bush speaks Spanish, which is manly.)
Senator Ted Cruz, who roared in Congress about the tyranny of the Washington elite, attended Princeton University and Harvard Law School.
Distinctly Bush
President George W. Bush uses a chainsaw to cut up a hackberry tree on his ranch in Crawford, Texas, in August 2001. (Susan Walsh/Associated Press)
Sarah Palin, who became rich pretending she spends her time running around in the wilderness shooting and skinning grizzly bears and moose, likes to divide America into "real Americans" and the elites, who aren't real Americans at all, because they live in places like New York or Los Angeles.
And of course Donald Trump somehow manages to be a non-elite Manhattan billionaire.
These people gush this nonsense because it works. The chumps buy it: Donald and Sarah and George and Ted are just like them.
In Canada, educated and wealthy politicians have certainly played the humble-origins game – Jean Chrétien was not actually a "little guy" with Chevrolet tastes, and Brian Mulroney did not come to Parliament from, as Pierre Trudeau once sarcastically noted, "a little log cabin on the Miramichi."
But harping on "elitism," which ultimately plays on envious contempt for any sort of learning or distinction, is relatively new here.
Make no mistake: Kellie Leitch is a charter member of the elite, and should be admired for it.
Accomplished, elite people in positions of leadership is a good and natural thing.
Common sense, while valuable, is no replacement for serious education. Only in the Tea Party world does running a gas station in Peoria qualify you to oversee monetary policy.
I'd prefer my heart specialist to be best in class, and so what if he, or she, arrives at work in a Porsche?
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/am ... ent=safari
BY JASON FEKETE, OTTAWA CITIZEN
ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: NOV 10, 2016
SASKATOON – Conservative leadership candidate Kellie Leitch, who has railed against rivals as out-of-touch “elites,” is holding a $500-a-person fundraiser in downtown Toronto Monday organized by high-profile Bay Street lawyers.
The event with some of Toronto’s corporate movers and shakers comes days after she sent an email that congratulated Donald Trump on his U.S. election victory, praised his anti-establishment message and declared “the elites are out of touch.”
Leitch and her campaign have made such remarks a keynote of their campaign. They have criticized Lisa Raitt for standing “with the left-wing media elite” and labelled Andrew Scheer as an “out-of-touch elite” for launching his leadership campaign at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa.
Monday’s fundraiser is being hosted by Stanley Hartt, a well-known corporate lawyer with the Toronto law firm Norton Rose Fulbright LLP and one-time chief of staff to prime minister Brian Mulroney.
The invitations were sent by Heather Zordel, a member of Leitch’s fundraising committee and another well-known lawyer who is a partner with Toronto firm Gardiner Roberts LLP. She specializes in corporate finance and securities regulation.
The fundraiser for Leitch, an Ontario MP and pediatric orthopedic surgeon, will take place at First Canadian Place in downtown Toronto, with a suggested donation of $500 a person. It is not mentioned on Leitch’s events page on her campaign website.
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https://www.google.ca/amp/news.national ... ent=safari
What a transparent phoney. Although in these times even obvious lies and misrepresentations don't matter anymore yo voters on the right.
Leitch seems to be hitching her horse to a Trumpish strategy. It was bound to happen, but I didn't expect it to come from someone who's educated.
Educated doesn't always equate to intelligent.
I wouldn't write her off yet. She is using the same tactics that Harper tried to win the last election with. And she saw how saying something outrageous every day kept Trumps name in the headlines without much cost to the campaign.
She's just floating cheap trial balloons and using the media to develop a platform based on popularity. It might work. Or it might turn out the same as it did for Harper unless she realizes we don't fall for divisive politics for very long.