Iran uses fabricated WikiLeaks cable to smear UN rights rapporteur

Iran, the Fox News of the middle east. Anyway, the UN is a bullshit anti-Zionist organization, so any smearing of it is all to the good.

Fox News of the middle east??

More the Media Matters, I think.

Have you not been watching your own media lately?

Since the Kerry/Obama brainwave of "Let's get Iran a bomb" the podboys of media like Think Progress and Salon have decided maybe the rest of us were right about the dangers of the House of Saud. Although with them it seems to be more because those damn Saudis are opposed to a nuclear Iran - the party poopers.

So now the House of Prog has joined us in being worried about the Arabs (although for their own differing reasons). But what comes with this new wave of anti-Saud is a merging with the ol' anti-Israel chestnut. If you're brave enough to go deep into progworld these days you'll discover the Jews did 9/11 with the Arabs.

Who knew, right?

Oh, but here's the main point. The new meme from the land of Daily Kos and such is yeah Jews and Arabs suck, but lets not confuse them with those lovable old curmudgeonly Mullahs of Iran.

I'm baffled what the Guardian's up to.

Maybe the British left hasn't got the memo yet.

With Iran it's "Four legs bad. Two legs better" now.

The Guardian had a couple stories that had me scratching my head today. They seemed to be going off the farm. ("Animal" that is)

The Saudis pretty much own both major American political parties. Your "prog" nonsense doesn't count on this issue, not when the Saudis thoroughly covered their bases by co-opting both sides in American politics.

I'm intrigued. "Influence," I get. (And it's not just them.) But, "Own"?

Show me where you get that from.

Another thing that interests me is why has it been just lately that you've decided the House of Saud is the New World Order?

Again, where did that come from?

From the 9/11 murderers, most of whom were Saudi nationals, through to ISIS, which is massively financed by Saudi money and religiously stoked up by Saudi clerics, the hand of the Kingdom is everywhere. The US sells weapons to Saudi Arabia who in turn arm and supply the terrorists that these same US weapons are supposed to protect the Kingdom from. The incestuous web of connections between Riyadh, Wall Street, the Beltline lobbyists, and the US politicians is too tangled for the US, or the other Western countries, to ever get out of. It's been a massively successful lobbying and influence-peddling campaign that's convinced the world that the main evil is in Iran when in reality the real monsters live on the west side of the Persian Gulf. Kind of a living example of the Devil's greatest victory being when he convinced the world he didn't exist.

And I could nitpick that, but why bother?

It's rhetoric. I was hoping for something like evidence. Specifically evidence of this claim of ".

And if the Saudis, as you say, both parties, why would they allow Obama to make the deal with Iran? They're opposed to it.

Myself, I don't have a problem with thinking of Saudis as the bad guy, but why does it have to be to the exclusion of the Mullahs of Iran.

Why can't they both be something we need to be cautious of?

Obama's also sold more weapons to the Saudis than any previous president. And, just like Harper, he's been horribly silent about the effect that Saudi economic warfare has had on American oil industry workers. The menace of Iran, wildly overstated or not, doesn't automatically make their Sunni rivals in Saudi Arabia the good guys. If a Muslim bomb ever goes off in an American city it won't be an Iranian one. It'll be one procured by the Saudis, either from Pakistan or when they get around to building their own weapons program.

The interesting thing is the little pact that SA and Israel seem to have going. They both seem to have extraordinary influence with the American govt, and have a big hate on with Iran. Yet if SA ever does fall to the jihadis that it feeds under the table, Israel had better watch out. The bargain that SA funds the Sunni jihadis as long as they don't raise shit at home isn't going to last forever. If Israel does manage to get the US to seriously set back Iran, that could kick back in its face real hard.

Yeah, it's an insane scenario from all angles. If Vietnam was the mistake the US made for taking over French colonial policy in Indochina then the mess in the Muslim world is the mistake the US made for taking over British colonial policy. There's no way out now because the option of not taking sides was lost decades ago. Israel can probably whip the hell out of any future threat should the Saudis fall to the ISIS types but they'll probably have to deploy their own nukes to do it.

But again why would the Saudis have to seen as "good guys". Why are we not allowed to see both states as sponsors of terrorism and fundamentalist rage?

They are, after all.



Whew...thanks, cause I was worried.

I mean these Mullahs actually believe their Mahdi, child, warrior king is going to come out of a well where he's been hiding since the 10th century and obliterate the unbelievers if they (Iran) can get a big enough conflict going to draw him out.

Think I'm joking?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worl ... h-century/

So guys like that, responsible for the kind of terrorism and conflict, and open plans for further conflict...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_ ... _terrorism

we don't have to worry about guys like that getting their hands on a newly released 150 billion dollars they could finance more of the terror they're famous for with, right? In fact what the Hell, let's throw in a nuclear bomb. What could possibly go wrong?

Nothing right? We know this cause...

is there something more than just cause you say so?

I've posted multiple links in the past where high ranking Israeli defence and intelligence officials have stated that fear of Iran is highly overblown, and being deliberately used by Likud to stoke up fear in the US. If anything Iran now resembles the Soviet Union and Communist China in the 1970's and '80's. Yes, they're jerks but they aren't insane. And there was a considerable drop in anti-Israel propaganda emanating from Iran when Mamoud Ahmadinejad left the scene. And Iran is at least some kind of a quasi-democracy with the potential to turn into something better over time, something the atavistic and medieval Saudis certainly aren't.

You'll probably get your way anyhow someday. The TeaBirchers will hold up the deal in Congress as long as they can and if they win the White House they'll rip it up altogether. I remain confident that the next US disaster overseas will be when they attack Iran on Israel and Saudi Arabia's behalf.

Show me.

Look them up yourself. I'm not doing your work for you. With the amount of weaponry Obama has poured into Israel during his administration, including deep-penetrator bunker-busters, Ehud Barak called him the best friend the Jewish state ever had in the White House. And Barak said that when he was serving as defense secretary in the previous Netanyahu coalition.