‎Majority want foreign-fighting Canadians stripped of citizenship: Poll

Never happen. Democracy is virtually dead and has been since the Capital Punishment Referendum back in the day. They could hold a referendum today dthat was supported by 100% of the population and it wouldn't make one iota of difference if it contravened any part of the Charter.

Our country is now run by unelected lawyers who are appointed to the Supreme and their use of the Charter to enforce their views and morals on all of society is the norm not the exception. So thinking our Gov't could actually do anything that diametrically opposes that August piece of Liberal tripe called the Charter is just a pipe dream.

So unfortunately we'll continue to see idiots, mental midgets, wannabe rapists, murders, religious zealots and large scale assholes going over to fight for foreign countries and terrorist organizations with impunity while we get to live with the results.

What about the 30,000 or so that fought in Vietnam for the American Forces?

Actually they'd be out but people joining ISIS would be OK, since the question is about fighting for foreign armies. ISIS, as we know, isn't an army - this will be important once Guantanamo ll opens up, (and Tuktoyaktuk I for us).


Also in trouble will be Canadian citizens who reside in a foreign country and are drafted, as the US used to do, and Israel I believe still does.

This legislation will be an interesting thing to see developed.

Or the Spanish Civil war? The fact that you're fighting for a foreign country should never have been allowed period. If you want of fight, fight for your own country and if your country isn't involved then, even if your ideology is in tandem with that foreign country or terrorist organization toughshit.

By banning all this mercenary or zealot volunteer crap we would have saved ourselves alot of trouble and like it or not if people feel that strongly about a cause they should be allowed to go fight and then stay wherever the fuck they fought for and reap the benefits of their endeavors.

I applied for the RCN, Foreign Legion and US Marines and in my case the RCN answered first but had I been told that if I went to the States or France I would have lost my citizenship I would never have done it which is likely how most but the craziest bastards would react.

Actually they'd be out but people joining ISIS would be OK, since the question is about fighting for foreign armies. ISIS, as we know, isn't an army - this will be important once Guantanamo ll opens up, (and Tuktoyaktuk I for us).


Also in trouble will be Canadian citizens who reside in a foreign country and are drafted, as the US used to do, and Israel I believe still does.

This legislation will be an interesting thing to see developed.

All you need is a clause that states that if you're a Canadian Citizen and are drafted by a foreign power or organization you can still retain your citizenship.

I think that this should apply to those who have gone to countries or entities who have openly "declared war" on Canada, not Canadians that have gone off to fight in foreign armies, per se. There is a huge difference. Those people who have headed off to fight with ISIS know perfectly well that they may end up fighting Canadians and that should be construed as renouncing their citizenship. If "Islam" is their nation, let "Islam" provide their health care, education, safe living, fresh water, old age pension and welfare safety net. Good luck and good riddance.

I have no issue at all with a young Mohawk who goes to the U.S. to join the Marines or a Jewish kid who goes to Israel to perform his national service (or German kid to Germany, Norwegian kid to Norway). We should look twice if any Chinese kids opt to go to China to join the PLA. Canadians have seen battle against the PLA in the 1950s and it is way too early to say that it won't happen again. I am 100% certain that Canadians and Germans will never find themselves at opposite sides of No-man's Land again, though.

Hard to write that into legislation, since allies become enemies and vice versa.

That doesn't happen quickly and it certainly hasn't happened very quickly in Canada's history.

Canada was openly at war with Japan in 1945 and with the People's Republic of China in 1952. it is inconceivable that we will ever find ourselves on the opposite side of a conflict with Japan but there is still a fairly high probability that we may yet come to blows with China.

Canada at war with ISIS is a dead certainty.

Terror groups mutate by the hour.

Trouble is that you can't predict the future and if we allowed that to happen you'd need a million pages for all the clauses and exceptions to the rule that would allow those people to go fight in foreign armies.

The simplest way is to say that it's a no no to fight for any foreign country or organization unless they are signatory allies in a current conflict and even that would be almost unenforceable.

The simplest way is to say that it's a no no to fight for any foreign country or organization unless they are signatory allies in a current conflict.


I knew an old, Canadian guy who fought in the Battle of Britain. He flew a Hurricane, then a Spitfire for the RAF, which he had joined pre-war. He was 100%Canadian and there is no connection, really with this guy and some piece of shit that goes to Syria to fight for his new Caliphate.

I don't see how you'd need a million pages of legal jargon to declare it "illegal to join the army or militia of a foreign power or group deemed to be the enemy of, hostile too, or otherwise unfriendly towards Canada."

Pretty much deals with all foreign and domestic militias and armies that are unfriendly to us.

Read my first post. We've got lawyers and the Charter involved so given past history, what do you honestly think would happen.

I may have exaggerated about a million pages when a couple of thousand is probably more accurate.

If, which is very unlikely they ever do decided to take this action it'd take years to draft the bill so it wouldn't offend anyone, years to form an impartial panel to study that bill to make sure it wouldn't offend anyone, years to send that bill out to Canadians for a referendum to make sure none of them were offended then, it would go through Parliament for approval where, someone would inevitably be offended and after a rewrite finally when it offended no one it would go to that bastion of justice, fair play and honour the Senate for ratification.

All of which would then be immediately scuppered by a Charter Challenge because someone would be offended.

Then the Supreme Court in their omnipotence would have to make a final decision whether it really offended the plaintiff and didn't violate their beloved Charter in some manner. Then given how things work in Canada, at every stage someone will have wanted something added to it so by the time the bill gets past the Supreme Court if it ever does, it will likely take a battery of lawyers to read through the thousands of pages and comprehend WTF was written and WTF the Bill is actually intended for.

So, I figure if they start this bill now it should be in the Supreme Court by about 2045, at which time we'll all belong to the new Caliphate, be speaking Arabic and mandatorily attending Mosques anyway so, the whole attempt will end up having been a giant waste of time energy and intelligence and not worth the thousands of pages it was written on.