Ontario Election 2014: Media Union Urges Members Not To Vote For Hudak

Media bias ?

Nawwwww

Yeah, come to think of it when media owners endorsed Harper (and let's face it, for businessmen in that election it was the smart play) we heard how that proved there was no left wing bias in media. I was never sure how Libs came to that conclusion, but there you go.

Anyway let's pretend that makes sense and ask if the media owners endorsing Harper illustrates a lack of left wing bias what sort of bias is shown when the union of the actual writers endorses anybody left of the right wing politician running?

That is simply not true, there's still a couple of libertarian parties and the family coalition party will take sex ed out of schools for you. That's just a couple of steps from stopping teaching evolution. So you got that going for you.

Huh? What's not true?

You stated that the union leader endorses anything left of the right wing candidate. I was just letting you know there are a couple of options out there for you. Thought that was pretty clear since it answers your question.

The Union workers don't dictate media content, the owners do. AFAIK, even editors are not Union members. I mean, case in point - the article talks about Sun union. Is Sun Media a left-wing paper? No, its the most right-wing.

All the unions are anti-Hudak which is laughable because it shows how shitty they are at basic math and how selfish they are.

Hudak has come forth to say that cuts have to be made and Wynne's budget calls for the same cuts...they just don't talk about them.

"Basic Math?" Hudak's corporate tax cut giveaway and ridiculous promise that he will create 1 million jobs is a joke that has been laughed away by every real economist (i.e. the ones not working for American right-wing think-tanks who make a living writing about how Michelle Obama only graduated from Princeton because of Affirmative Action).

And if Wynne's budget is calling for the same cuts as you claim, what lack of "Basic Math" are you complaining about?

Yeah we all heard Hudak say this election is about jobs, I guess if you have already have a job then there's not really much point voting for him.

What's funny, Beaver, is if Wynne came forth with an optimistic plan of creating a million jobs, she'd be the second coming of Obama. 'Hope' would rain from the sky.

Is Hudak's plan perfect? Not even close. However, it does address the needs of Ontario far more than the other two.

Wynne's budget is calling for the same cuts but people like you and the anti-Hudak people are too blind to see it.
I'll explain:

Hudak has promised cuts to get the budget back in the black in a few years. He's made no secret of that. Ontario needs cuts, especially to the public sector that has ballooned in size for no reason.

However, Wynne also supports balancing the books in 4 years which means that after this year, the government still has a deficit of 12.5 billion per year. That means, Wynne has to cut the budget by 4.16 billion 3 years in a row to meet her plan.

Those would be the deepest cuts to Ontario's budget in the last 20 years.

She could have balanced the books earlier, but added an extra 3 billion to the deficit this year in election goodies to help her get re-elected.

So all of this scare-mongering that Hudak is going to slash and burn is hilarious when her own plan calls for the same....or worse.

"If (hypothetical event that didn't happen) then (exaggerated speculative statement)". Nice one.

I guess what makes it so comical is that a mainstay of conservative theory is that government can't create jobs...and along comes a conservative candidate who promises to conjure 1 Million of them out of thin air. Just for the record, since he's promised to elimingate 100,000 jobs, does that mean he will have to create 1.1 Million?




Even if true, at least the cuts wouldn't be for the purpose of financing a massive coprorate tax cut giveaway. Don't even get me started on the corporate tax cut issue. None other than Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney commented that recent federal Corporate Tax cuts have created half a trillion in "DEAD MONEY" that is just sitting on coprorate books and hasn't been reinvested or created jobs.

And here is another thing that the Conservatives are inconsistent about "Ontario has a spending problem, not a revenue problem" they say. Then in the same breath they say "unfortunatley we have to gut essential serives because times are tough and there's not enough cash to cover everything we need right now." Then they go and give away money to businesses in the form of tax cuts.

The government can create jobs by doing what the Liberals have already done. Ballooned the public sector at alarming rates.

Government's don't directly create jobs in the private sector, they can only make it attractive for business to do so. They can create jobs with the right policy.

Eliminating 100,000 jobs through attrition isn't firing 100,000 people and leaving them out of work. They've already left their job either to retire, new job or death. A little tidbit of fact that gets lost in the scare-mongering.




It is true: read this:
http://www.bnn.ca/News/2014/6/3/Wynnes- ... 1995-.aspx

Note the title: Wynne’s budget foreshadows biggest Ontario cuts since 1995

The cuts that Hudak and the PC's have proposed aren't to finance a tax giveaway. You're fear mongering again. The cuts are to bring our budget back into the black. I know it's not a major concern for people of your political persuasion, but it's a major concern for some of us.

The Ontario Liberals have cut corporate taxes to spur job growth. Did you oppose to that? It's hard to spur job growth when your energy policy drives business away.



I haven't read anything about the Ontario PC's cutting essential services, nor is it part of their plan. You must be hearing the commercials from the unions and think it's true.

Ontario does have a spending problem. We've created a bloated government with more workers than ever. A rate that grows beyond the rate of population growth or need.

Well for one, how about the Wynned Bag promising "significant rate relief" for hydro use while hydro rates will be hiked up over $400/yr by the end of 2015. I dunno about you but ADDING an extra $400+ per year to a hydro bill hardly qualifies as "significant rate relief". Must be more of that Liberal la-la land math where more equals less.

More lies.

- From 1976 - 2012, the population increased by 60.5%. The number of public sector employees in Ontario increased by 60.2% over the same period.

-Since 1976, almost 10% of the entire population has been a public sector worker. Under the Mike Harris government, it briefly dipped below 9%. It returned close to the historical range in the last six years or so, actually declining slightly in 2012.

- Given that total WORKING population increased from 44.5% TO 50.2% since 1976, public sector employees are actually a smaller proportion of the workforce.

Your rhetoric only adds up if you use the all-time low during the Harris years as the baseline. The Harris era was another time when cons said "times are tough, we all have to tighten our belts and bear the pain for the next little while"...now you're trying to use that as the gold standard that we should always aspire to.



Health and Education are essential, and this is where Hudak says most of his cuts will be focused. You want to go back to the Harris years when schools were understaffed and and only 54% of highschool students were graduating? I wonder if Hudak is going to copy Harris and appoint a highschool drop-out as education minister too (TRUE FACT).


I wasn't a fan of their corporate tax cuts - and I'm definitely not a fan of the right-wing mantra that coprate taxes must be cut EVERY election cycle. And if tax cuts really did improve the economy, the Liberals cuts would have saved the economy, right? Corporate taxes are already HALF what they were in 1960 and almost 50% less than what they were in 1992.




BULLSHIT. His platform says he's going to cut corporate taxes by 30%. A tax cut is a loss of revenue. This lost revenue and his planned job cuts are all part of the same fiscal plan, ERGO some of the savings Hudak finds from slitting 100,000 throats will be used to offset the lost revenue from corporate tax cuts. You're smarter than that.


1) They didn't promise it would be primarily through attrition.
2) At the end of the day, it's still 100,000 fewer teachers, nurses, administrators available to service the population, while the population contiues to GROW, so that is a service cut.




Jobs are mostly created due to macroeconimic events. Nobody is going to reloacte a factory from China just because the government of the day shaved the tax rate or made some other short-term promise. Businesses know it can just as easily go back the other way at the next election.