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White House opens door to tolls on interstate highways, removing long-standing prohibition


Uncle Sam | 206783 hits | Apr 30 8:10 am | Posted by: martin14
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With transportation funds running short, administration proposes making tolls an option for states.

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  1. by avatar martin14
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:17 pm
    That source, the Highway Trust Fund, relies on the 18.4-cent federal gas tax, which has eroded steadily as vehicles have become more energy efficient.


    ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL


    Guess Obongo ran out of hope and needs more change. :)

  2. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:27 pm
    This is easy: The states should end the Federal Fuel tax if it's no longer going to be used to pay for the upkeep of the roads. Because that's what's really at stake here is that an ever-increasing amount of fuel tax funds have been diverted to the General Fund to pay for other things. And now the Obama Administration needs every penny it can get to paper over the cluster f*ck of Obamacare.

    Oregon is blaming their failure on a coding issue:

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/oregon-nevad ... -exchanges

    Yet the truth is that the people who have to sign up for Obamacare so they can subsidize all the people who are getting Obamacare for 'free' are refusing to sign up. The system is going to collapse because there's not enough money to fund ongoing operations.

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/ ... d-n1805244

  3. by avatar DanSC
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:42 pm
    They won't raise the fuel tax because that's political suicide, but making interstates into toll roads is more palatable to citizens? Huh?

  4. by avatar bootlegga
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:44 pm
    And there goes the economy...tourism, interstate commerce, road side services (hotels, restaurants, gas stations, etc.).

    The Interstate system was one of the key factors in American economic ascendance, but this could seriously hamper a huge chunk of the national economy.

  5. by avatar bootlegga
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:49 pm
    "DanSC" said
    They won't raise the fuel tax because that's political suicide, but making interstates into toll roads is more palatable to citizens? Huh?


    From what I've seen, the US is all about tolls and user fees to cover things (co-pays anyone?) that are covered by taxes here in Canada.

  6. by avatar PublicAnimalNo9
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:56 pm
    Aren't some interstates already toll roads depending on the state? I remember hitting a LOT of toll booths on I-94 going through Illinois.

  7. by avatar DanSC
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:02 pm
    "bootlegga" said
    They won't raise the fuel tax because that's political suicide, but making interstates into toll roads is more palatable to citizens? Huh?


    From what I've seen, the US is all about tolls and user fees to cover things (co-pays anyone?) that are covered by taxes here in Canada.
    The gas tax IS a toll and user fee, with a built-in environmental incentive package.

  8. by avatar andyt
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:08 pm
    Gas tax is the way to go, for sure. Much cheaper to collect as well.

  9. by avatar martin14
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:09 pm
    "PublicAnimalNo9" said
    Aren't some interstates already toll roads depending on the state? I remember hitting a LOT of toll booths on I-94 going through Illinois.


    Older toll highways grandfathered into the system.

    I believe they don't qualify for federal funding though.

  10. by avatar DanSC
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:13 pm
    "martin14" said
    Older toll highways grandfathered into the system.

    They are also a great jobs program for toll takers and administrators.

  11. by avatar martin14
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:17 pm
    "DanSC" said
    Older toll highways grandfathered into the system.

    They are also a great jobs program for toll takers and administrators.

    :lol:


    I regularly travel through Spain, France and Italy.

    Every 4 lane expressway is tolled. Everything here is more expensive because of it.

    Oh and it is all privatized now, so the gov't doesnt get the money.

    Obongo is really out to destroy the US.

  12. by avatar PublicAnimalNo9
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:17 pm
    Depending on the tolls and how they collect them, it might not be that bad really.

    I'm sure rates have likely gone up since, but back in 2005-2007 I could drive the NY Thruway from Buffalo to the Mass Turnpike, a distance of over 200 miles for the low toll of $11-$12 and change. And all without stopping at a toll booth every 5 minutes.

    When I compare that to the 407 in Ontario, it cost me $7 to drive from Toronto to Milton, a drive time of about 20 minutes.

  13. by avatar bootlegga
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:47 pm
    "DanSC" said
    From what I've seen, the US is all about tolls and user fees to cover things (co-pays anyone?) that are covered by taxes here in Canada.


    The gas tax IS a toll and user fee, with a built-in environmental incentive package.

    Then by that argument, a sales tax is some sort of commerce fee? Income tax is a citizenship fee? Please...

    A gas tax is not a fee, it's a tax. A toll on highway is a fee.

  14. by avatar andyt
    Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:50 pm
    What's the diff? You pay it either way. A gas tax is way cheaper to collect and more broadly distributed, has the advantage of promoting conservation as well.



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