Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich Resigns Over Stance Against Gay MarriageBusiness | 206745 hits | Apr 03 6:18 pm | Posted by: N_Fiddledog Commentsview comments in forum Page 1 2 You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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The religious do not have a valid moral justification to try and dictate laws to others, based off of religion in my mind. Although I can see why they see their actions as morally justified because of their religion.
The religious do however have the right (moral and legal) to try and pass democratically approved laws and to use money and personal effort to shape public opinion.
Gay people have the right to protest and complain against people that state opinions counter to their views.
Just like I have the right to protest and complain against gay people for their individual and collective actions. While I can respect their right to state their opinion I will also think less of them for it.
I'm going to use Firefox more often now.
Oh boo fucking hoo...
More and more companies breaking the cardinal rules of polite company: no politics and no religion. Never fares well, regardless of what side you take.
That's just illogical. It was a private donation. And just about all corporate entities engage in politics at some level. Think the X center for whatever at some school isn't a calculated political action?
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For all the people that are going to stop using Firefox, are you also going to disable JavaScript too?
Freedom of speech is all good as long as it's considered pc.
Be good to see a few million people and other companies drop Firefox altogether as a protest of their own. If this is how they punish freedom of thought and conscience then their product won't ever be installed on any of my computers or toys. I didn't have anything against gays getting married, mostly because I think that the arguments of the religious against it are a complete crock. More importantly, the religious have no right to force their own sectarian beliefs onto the law of an entire secular society. That being said, the gay rights machinery (like practically every other demographic in the hard-core political left wing) has always had a major streak of the intolerant fascist as one of their defining features. They scalp-hunt anyone who doesn't genuflect and bow down before them. They're as perverse in their overall political intentions as the religious are with theirs. The religious want everyone to hate the same enemies (like the gays) along with them, or else. The gay rights machine wants to force everyone to absolutely and uncritically love them, or else. Different sides of the same mean-spirited coin as far as I'm concerned.
Excellent post.
https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/?select ... =1&happy=0
Perhaps this gutless cave to the haters and celebration of your new status as Firefox wienie, butt-boys to bully-boy, issue trolls was not the grand strategy you hoped for Mozilla.
You're no Phil Robertson.
I also find it interesting that this same right-wing force is pushing for laws that allow businesses to deny service to gay people on the basis of hating gays. Funny how that doesn't translate into a business being able to terminate a CEO who is publicly controversial?
Also, to the group I would ask if they woul feel differently if, instead of gay marriage, Eich had been a holocaust denier, or opposed to de-segregation or interracial marriage? Would you have a different opinion in that case?
Here's Slate's take on it:
If conservatives are upset about Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich’s resignation, why aren’t they concerned with protecting ordinary Americans?
By Jamelle Bouie
The Internet is currently worked up over the resignation of Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich, who left the company on Thursday following controversy over his support for Proposition 8 in 2008. As my colleague Will Oremus explains, Eich had given $1,000 to the anti-gay marriage campaign, which sparked a minor controversy when it surfaced in 2012, but didn’t affect his standing at the company, where he served as chief technical officer. After he was named CEO, however, this changed, and he was forced out by a combination of internal unrest and public condemnation.
Defenders of the outcome say that it’s a question of public morality; opposition to same-sex marriage is the same as opposition to interracial marriage, and that both are unacceptable opinions for people leading public companies. Critics, on the other hand, see Eich’s forced resignation as a chilling attack on free speech. Writing on his website, Andrew Sullivan calls it a “hounding” and wonders, “Will now be forced to walk through the streets in shame?”
National Review takes its outrage even further: “The nation’s full-time gay-rights professionals simply will not rest until a homogeneous and stultifying monoculture is settled upon the land, and if that means deploying a ridiculous lynch mob to pronounce anathema upon a California technology executive for private views acted on in his private life, then so be it.”
Comparing Eich’s critics to a “lynch mob” is a bit much, especially given the actual violence gay people have faced for exercising their rights. Beyond that, it’s hard not to see some irony in these complaints, given National Review’s support of “religious freedom” laws in states like Arizona and Tennessee, and its broad view that the free market is sufficient to punish anti-gay businesses and business owners. The Mozilla situation seems emblematic of what conservatives want when it comes to the relationship between business, public opinion, and public sanction.
But let’s grant that Sullivan and the National Review are right. That Eich’s forced resignation is an attack on speech, and that this is an ugly bout of bullying against someone who hasn’t expressed his views in the context of his job. If that’s true, then Eich is just the highest profile victim of a status quo that threatens countless workers.
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act might protect workers from discrimination on the basis of their race, color, religion, sex, age, or national origin, but almost everything else is fair game for private employers who want to get rid of workers. Not only can you be fired for your political views—for sporting the wrong bumper sticker on your car, for instance—or for being “sexually irresistible” to your boss, but in most states (29, to be precise), you can be fired for your sexual orientation or gender identification, no questions asked.
Overall, the large majority of Americans have at-will employment, which means that—outside of protected classes such as race or religion—they can be fired for any reason at all. For someone like Eich, this isn’t a huge deal: He will survive his brush with joblessness. The same can’t be said for millions of low-income workers who face termination lest they give their bosses their complete obedience.
For a taste of what this looks like, and if you’ve never worked a retail job, you should read former Politico reporter Joseph Williams on his time in a sporting goods store. For a pittance of a paycheck, he consented to constant searches, unpaid labor, and borderline wage theft. It’s a precarious existence, made worse by the fact that saying the wrong thing at the wrong time—either on the job or off it—could result in you losing your job, with no recourse.
And of course, employment discrimination against LGBT Americans is a real and ongoing problem. According to a 2011 report from the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, at least 15 percent of gay Americans have faced discrimination and harassment at the workplace on the basis of their orientation, and at least 8 percent report being passed over for a job or fired. A whopping 90 percent of transgender individuals report some sort of harassment on the job. It’s doesn’t minimize Eich’s situation (if you’re opposed to his resignation) to note that gay people are far more likely to face discrimination than opponents of same-sex marriage.
In any case, there’s nothing conservatives can do about Eich’s resignation. But they can join with labor activists and others to push for greater worker protections, like the Employee Non-Discrimination Act. For as much as employer flexibility is important to a dynamic economy, it’s also true that no one should fear firing for the people they love, the identity they claim, or the donations they make.
Simply put, if conservatives are frustrated by the treatment of Eich for his role in Proposition 8, then they should be outraged by the treatment of ordinary people at the hands of the people who employ them
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... otect.html
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Don't ever go against the family.
You will lose.
I know you’ve got legions of sycophants kowtowing to you these days, and the rest you’ve set out to destroy — but you will lose.
So, you’ve tracked another dissident and skinned him alive. You’ve made an example of Brendan Eich, and now you dance joyously around his disemboweled carcass. You have his head on a spike, and you consider this a conquest in your eternal crusade to eradicate diversity and punish differing opinions. You launched your millionth campaign of intimidation, and now another good man has been dragged through the mud, to the sounds of taunting and jeering and death threats.
You found out that the CEO of Mozilla gave a few dollars to support a pro-traditional marriage ballot measure several years ago, and you proceeded to publicly tar and feather him until he was forced to ‘resign’ in disgrace.
You again chose to forgo debate, in favor of coercion and bullying.
You again attempted to end the ‘gay rights’ argument by defrocking your opponent.
Hey, good for you.
Enjoy the spoils of your cowardice.
It won’t last.
You will still lose.
Don’t you people read? Haven’t you learned anything from history? ‘Advancements’ earned through tyranny never endure. You can only win a debate by suffocating your opposition for so long. Your strategy is doomed for failure, because it has always failed.
In the name of ‘fighting for the freedom to love,’ you’ve utilized hate. For the sake of ‘tolerance,’ you’ve wielded bigotry. In order to push ‘diversity,’ you’ve been dogmatic.
You are everything you accuse your opponents of being, and you stand for all the evil things that you claim they champion.
You are exposed. We see you for what you are: a force of destruction and division.
You showed your hand, and now you’ll lose the game.
It’s inevitable.
Marriage has, had, and always will have, by definition, a certain character and purpose; a character and purpose centered around, above all things, the family. Marriage is the foundation through which a thriving and lasting civilization sees to the propagation of itself. Human beings can only reproduce by means of ‘heterosexuality,’ and this reality sets the ‘heterosexual’ union apart. Marriage is meant to be the context in which this reproduction occurs.
Marriage is many things, but it is also this. And ‘this’ can never be removed from it, no matter the direction of the political winds, or the motion of the shifting sands of public opinion.
Marriage and the family are dimensions of the same whole. They cannot be detached from one another. They, as a whole, as an institution, can only be weakened — not erased or redefined. And so the campaign to protect and strengthen the institution was and is designed to do just that. It was never about ‘legislating love’ or imposing intolerance or ‘discriminating against gay people,’ or any other silly bumper sticker platitude.
You want to be free to love? You are. You always have been.
Heterosexuals don’t claim to monopolize love; only reproduction. Me, I love in many ways and in many directions. I love my wife, yes, and I also love my parents, and my country, and football, and hamburgers. These are all different kinds and degrees of love, yet still love.
But, alas, only one of these loves can (or should) result in the creation of a biological family. Thus, this love carries with it a certain distinction and a certain responsibility.
Bigotry? There is nothing bigoted about it. This is mere science. You see, bigotry only enters into the conversation when you try to destroy a man’s life just for participating in the conversation.
You are the agents of bigotry, my friends. You. You are what you say we are.
I don’t know much about Brendan Eich, and neither do you. I know that he is a revolutionary mind in his field and he became the CEO of Mozilla because of his professional merits. That’s all the information I would have ever seen as relevant or important. But none of that matters to you. You decided to cast all of that aside because you took a peek at the names of Prop 8 donors — names that were only publicized in order to punish and shame those who supported the measure — and determined that everyone listed must be punished.
You fancy yourselves the ideological descendants of civil rights pioneers, but these tactics put you in the same vein as book burners and Puritan witch hunters. When your story is ultimately told, it’ll read more like The Crucible than the Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr.
And that’s why you’ll lose.
You might have fooled society forever if you’d just kept singing about love and kindness, and never started bombarding Christians with your bitter hate and hostility. You might have gained some lasting ground if you hoisted your banner of free love, and never used it to diminish free speech.
But the proverbial cat is out of the bag. You’ve been made.
Because of your own behavior, when people like myself tell the world about the vicious death wishes and vulgar hate mail we receive from your kind on a DAILY basis, everyone will believe us. It’s no secret anymore. Without question and without exaggeration, the ‘gay rights movement’ is the angriest, most ruthless, most controlling, most intolerant of all the ideological enterprises in the country. Now, everyone knows it.
So you’ll lose. People are starting to see that you are the pigs on this Animal Farm, and the equality of which you preach is a very unequal equality indeed.
Let other conservatives write the ‘woe is me’ posts. In truth, woe is you. One way or another.
You’ll lose. You’ll lose for these reasons, and this:
With each passing day, it gets harder and harder for you to control the conversation.
Eich’s greatest contribution to combating gay rights militants didn’t come in the form of a paltry donation to Prop 8 — it came through his work developing the medium that makes censorship nearly impossible. I’m not saying that was his motivation, but it’s the result. You can boycott Reality TV shows and fast food restaurants all you want, but you can’t shutdown the internet.
For all its downside, the internet still gives voice to people who would be otherwise silenced by oppressors like yourselves. Take yours truly, for example. I’m just one dude — insignificant and unimportant — but there are many like me. I’m not employed by any major corporation. I’m not employed at all, in fact. You can’t get me fired; I work for myself.
You can’t muzzle me, or anyone else out here in the wild wilderness of cyberspace. You can keep sending us mean emails and telling us to kill ourselves (thanks for the helpful suggestion!), but that only emboldens us.
In the meantime, in honor of Mozilla and the gay rights fascists, I’ve talked with my wife and we’ve decided to donate a portion of our monthly ad revenue to the fight to protect the sanctity of life and marriage. So thank you for reading this — you are directly contributing to the ‘anti-gay rights’ cause!
See, you can’t win.
Victimize one guy and you simply succeed in creating a thousand others who are sufficiently fed up with your garbage.
You still lose.
The truth prevails.
Always.
Regards,
Matt Walsh
http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/04/05/ ... till-lose/