Manitoba is the first jurisdiction in North America to declare the Hells Angels as a criminal organization, Justice Minister Andrew Swan said today. ... Swan said by designation the Hells Angels as the first criminal outfit under the province?s schedule of criminal organizations, it allows the Crown to prosecute gang members and associates without the delay of calling additional evidence that the outlaw biker club is a criminal organization.
The province also says as a result, it will reduce the time spent by police, justice officials and the courts to determine that groups are criminal organizations. This designation now applies to all provincial laws such as the Safer Communities and Neighbourhoods Act, the Fortified Buildings Act and the Criminal Property Forfeiture Act, which has been used to seize the Hells Angels clubhouse on Scotia Street. That matter remains before the courts.
Swan said the hope is Ottawa follows suite, meaning a federal designation will allow the Crown to prosecute gang members on criminal code and drug offences ? offences gang members are commonly charged with and result in prison time. ...
Evidence from numerous Canadian trials shows the Hells Angels are structured to ensure conformity to their rules, prevent infiltration by rivals and police and to maintain an effective criminal network. Courts have found that chapters are not independent entities but instead conform to rules and work collectively to meet the broader objectives.
Membership in the Hells Angels consists of full patch members, prospective members, hang-arounds, official friends, and associates.
Full-patch members seek to insulate themselves from police and rivals by using subordinate members and associate gangs to commit crimes and protect gang assets. Membership is an incremental process over years to test a recruit's loyalty and prevent infiltration by police or rival gang members. Internal Hells Angels records show that photos and information about potential new members are distributed across the country to try to identify unwanted members.
The colours of the Hells Angels are formed by the term "Hells Angels," the club’s death head logo and red and white lettering. These items have been trademarked in numerous countries. Only a full-patch member can wear the Hells Angels logo and vote on club issues and strategies. Courts have noted the "power of the patch" worn by the Hells Angels, since it has been used to intimidate and create fear from the public and gang rivals. As a result, some courts have declared items displaying these identifying colours to be forfeited as offence-related property.
Clubhouses are the base for each Hells Angels chapter. Courts have found they are generally fortified and equipped with security measures. Courts have ordered Hells Angels clubhouses forfeited as instruments or proceeds of crime in Ontario (Toronto, Thunder Bay and Oshawa), Halifax and Quebec. Several other clubhouses, including one in Winnipeg, have been seized pending criminal property forfeiture applications. Manitoba and Saskatchewan have also used provincial laws to order the removal of fortifications from Hells Angels clubhouses as they are a public safety threat.
Hells Angels and their associate groups have been found with counter-surveillance equipment designed to detect police listening devices, sensitive justice documents on gang rivals and information about police investigators.
The Hells Angels use subordinate "puppet" criminal organizations to commit crimes and advance their interests. This also helps to identify potential new members of the Hells Angels. For example, several members of one of the Manitoba Hells Angels’ support clubs, the Zig Zag Crew, have moved up to become full members. Gang wars in Quebec, Manitoba and Ontario have highlighted the roles played by these associate groups. Manitoba’s Zig Zag Crew and Redlined gangs have been convicted for drug and other crimes in support of the Hells Angels.
Courts in Quebec, Ontario and Manitoba have found the Hells Angels to be a criminal organization in dozens of individual criminal prosecutions. Hells Angels have a long record of violence in Canada including the murder of two justice officials in Quebec in 1997, a gang war with the Rock Machine in Quebec that resulted in an estimated 150 murders over the course of a decade, and extensive drug trafficking and related crimes in Manitoba.
We could take their money away by ending prohibition, but this is good too.
We could take their money away by ending prohibition, but this is good too.
They'd just move on to some other criminal endeavour - like taking over a union so they can steal from the pension fund like the mobbed-up Italians do.
Congratulations to Manitoba and good luck getting it to stick in the Supreme Court where it`s going to end up. There`s a big difference between labeling an organization criminal and proving it.
The FBI tried in the states and were startled to discover that the Hell`s Angels weren`t considered a criminal organization but an organization of criminals.
Meaning that unless the Manitoba Gov`t can link any crime committed by a member as a benefit to the entire organization they`re gonna get nowhere and this will likely get tossed out after lengthy court battles with the Angels very well paid attorney`s.
On Friday, defense lawyer Jay Prober said he didn't think the change would amount to much. Prober has represented alleged Hells Angels members in the past.
"I don't think it was necessary. It's window dressing, but it makes good politics and gets votes," said Prober.
He added, "I doubt this piece of legislation will withstand a constitutional challenge."
We could take their money away by ending prohibition, but this is good too.
They'd just move on to some other criminal endeavour - like taking over a union so they can steal from the pension fund like the mobbed-up Italians do.
Oh for sure, we're keeping society safe by giving them black market drug revenue instead of building schools like Colorado.
Why aren't they taking over unions and stealing from pension funds now? They can't be bothered because the drug money is fast and easy?
We could take their money away by ending prohibition, but this is good too.
They'd just move on to some other criminal endeavour - like taking over a union so they can steal from the pension fund like the mobbed-up Italians do.
Oh for sure, we're keeping society safe by giving them black market drug revenue instead of building schools like Colorado.
Why aren't they taking over unions and stealing from pension funds now? They can't be bothered because the drug money is fast and easy?
So...take away the drug money to push them into taking over unions and stealing pension funds?
They'd just move on to some other criminal endeavour - like taking over a union so they can steal from the pension fund like the mobbed-up Italians do.
Oh for sure, we're keeping society safe by giving them black market drug revenue instead of building schools like Colorado.
Why aren't they taking over unions and stealing from pension funds now? They can't be bothered because the drug money is fast and easy?
So...take away the drug money to push them into taking over unions and stealing pension funds?
Is this is actually what you believe, that supplying them with revenue from black market drugs will keep them from stealing your pension?
"Gunnair" said You think that stopping income from pot will result in a real loss of illegal income for an accused multinational criminal organization?
If so, you need a hardware upgrade.
It will stop violence. It will provide tax revenue for things that we want as a society instead of feeding multinational criminal organizations.
"Curtman" said You think that stopping income from pot will result in a real loss of illegal income for an accused multinational criminal organization?
If so, you need a hardware upgrade.
It will stop violence. It will provide tax revenue for things that we want as a society.
No it won't. The violence part of it simply shifts to another product. You're deluded if you think a criminal organization won't shift target right to maintain its revenue with something else. Legalize all you want, but give it up with the reduction of violence nonsense. The end of the prohibition on booze showed the viability of that argument. Criminal organizations moved on.
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Swan said by designation the Hells Angels as the first criminal outfit under the province?s schedule of criminal organizations, it allows the Crown to prosecute gang members and associates without the delay of calling additional evidence that the outlaw biker club is a criminal organization.
The province also says as a result, it will reduce the time spent by police, justice officials and the courts to determine that groups are criminal organizations. This designation now applies to all provincial laws such as the Safer Communities and Neighbourhoods Act, the Fortified Buildings Act and the Criminal Property Forfeiture Act, which has been used to seize the Hells Angels clubhouse on Scotia Street. That matter remains before the courts.
Swan said the hope is Ottawa follows suite, meaning a federal designation will allow the Crown to prosecute gang members on criminal code and drug offences ? offences gang members are commonly charged with and result in prison time.
...
Evidence from numerous Canadian trials shows the Hells Angels are structured to ensure conformity to their rules, prevent infiltration by rivals and police and to maintain an effective criminal network. Courts have found that chapters are not independent entities but instead conform to rules and work collectively to meet the broader objectives.
Membership in the Hells Angels consists of full patch members, prospective members, hang-arounds, official friends, and associates.
Full-patch members seek to insulate themselves from police and rivals by using subordinate members and associate gangs to commit crimes and protect gang assets. Membership is an incremental process over years to test a recruit's loyalty and prevent infiltration by police or rival gang members. Internal Hells Angels records show that photos and information about potential new members are distributed across the country to try to identify unwanted members.
The colours of the Hells Angels are formed by the term "Hells Angels," the club’s death head logo and red and white lettering. These items have been trademarked in numerous countries. Only a full-patch member can wear the Hells Angels logo and vote on club issues and strategies. Courts have noted the "power of the patch" worn by the Hells Angels, since it has been used to intimidate and create fear from the public and gang rivals. As a result, some courts have declared items displaying these identifying colours to be forfeited as offence-related property.
Clubhouses are the base for each Hells Angels chapter. Courts have found they are generally fortified and equipped with security measures. Courts have ordered Hells Angels clubhouses forfeited as instruments or proceeds of crime in Ontario (Toronto, Thunder Bay and Oshawa), Halifax and Quebec. Several other clubhouses, including one in Winnipeg, have been seized pending criminal property forfeiture applications. Manitoba and Saskatchewan have also used provincial laws to order the removal of fortifications from Hells Angels clubhouses as they are a public safety threat.
Hells Angels and their associate groups have been found with counter-surveillance equipment designed to detect police listening devices, sensitive justice documents on gang rivals and information about police investigators.
The Hells Angels use subordinate "puppet" criminal organizations to commit crimes and advance their interests. This also helps to identify potential new members of the Hells Angels. For example, several members of one of the Manitoba Hells Angels’ support clubs, the Zig Zag Crew, have moved up to become full members. Gang wars in Quebec, Manitoba and Ontario have highlighted the roles played by these associate groups. Manitoba’s Zig Zag Crew and Redlined gangs have been convicted for drug and other crimes in support of the Hells Angels.
Courts in Quebec, Ontario and Manitoba have found the Hells Angels to be a criminal organization in dozens of individual criminal prosecutions. Hells Angels have a long record of violence in Canada including the murder of two justice officials in Quebec in 1997, a gang war with the Rock Machine in Quebec that resulted in an estimated 150 murders over the course of a decade, and extensive drug trafficking and related crimes in Manitoba.
We could take their money away by ending prohibition, but this is good too.
We could take their money away by ending prohibition, but this is good too.
They'd just move on to some other criminal endeavour - like taking over a union so they can steal from the pension fund like the mobbed-up Italians do.
Because the Hell's Angels have no ability to branch out to other illegal incomes.
They have a pretty decent distribution network set up. Maybe they could do deliveries for Fed Ex or Amazon or Canadian Tire!
The FBI tried in the states and were startled to discover that the Hell`s Angels weren`t considered a criminal organization but an organization of criminals.
Meaning that unless the Manitoba Gov`t can link any crime committed by a member as a benefit to the entire organization they`re gonna get nowhere and this will likely get tossed out after lengthy court battles with the Angels very well paid attorney`s.
"I don't think it was necessary. It's window dressing, but it makes good politics and gets votes," said Prober.
He added, "I doubt this piece of legislation will withstand a constitutional challenge."
We could take their money away by ending prohibition, but this is good too.
They'd just move on to some other criminal endeavour - like taking over a union so they can steal from the pension fund like the mobbed-up Italians do.
Oh for sure, we're keeping society safe by giving them black market drug revenue instead of building schools like Colorado.
Why aren't they taking over unions and stealing from pension funds now? They can't be bothered because the drug money is fast and easy?
We could take their money away by ending prohibition, but this is good too.
They'd just move on to some other criminal endeavour - like taking over a union so they can steal from the pension fund like the mobbed-up Italians do.
Oh for sure, we're keeping society safe by giving them black market drug revenue instead of building schools like Colorado.
Why aren't they taking over unions and stealing from pension funds now? They can't be bothered because the drug money is fast and easy?
So...take away the drug money to push them into taking over unions and stealing pension funds?
Because the Hell's Angels have no ability to branch out to other illegal incomes.
they`ll take over the rainbow and unicorns market
They'd just move on to some other criminal endeavour - like taking over a union so they can steal from the pension fund like the mobbed-up Italians do.
Oh for sure, we're keeping society safe by giving them black market drug revenue instead of building schools like Colorado.
Why aren't they taking over unions and stealing from pension funds now? They can't be bothered because the drug money is fast and easy?
So...take away the drug money to push them into taking over unions and stealing pension funds?
Is this is actually what you believe, that supplying them with revenue from black market drugs will keep them from stealing your pension?
If so, you need a software upgrade.
So...take away the drug money to push them into taking over unions and stealing pension funds?
Shit, I finally get it. You're all about harm reduction. Give the illegal drug trade to the gangs to keep them out of other areas. Brilliant.
Except you say you actually favor legalization. So you favor the HA taking over unions?
Oh for sure, we're keeping society safe by giving them black market drug revenue instead of building schools like Colorado.
Why aren't they taking over unions and stealing from pension funds now? They can't be bothered because the drug money is fast and easy?
So...take away the drug money to push them into taking over unions and stealing pension funds?
Is this is actually what you believe, that supplying them with revenue from black market drugs will keep them from stealing your pension?
If so, you need a software upgrade.
You think that stopping income from pot will result in a real loss of illegal income for an accused multinational criminal organization?
If so, you need a hardware upgrade.
So...take away the drug money to push them into taking over unions and stealing pension funds?
Shit, I finally get it. You're all about harm reduction. Give the illegal drug trade to the gangs to keep them out of other areas. Brilliant.
Except you say you actually favor legalization. So you favor the HA taking over unions?
Yeah, that's exactly what was typed. Easy to see you in that low paying Timmies job with these fits of brilliance on display.
You think that stopping income from pot will result in a real loss of illegal income for an accused multinational criminal organization?
If so, you need a hardware upgrade.
It will stop violence. It will provide tax revenue for things that we want as a society instead of feeding multinational criminal organizations.
You think that stopping income from pot will result in a real loss of illegal income for an accused multinational criminal organization?
If so, you need a hardware upgrade.
It will stop violence. It will provide tax revenue for things that we want as a society.
No it won't. The violence part of it simply shifts to another product. You're deluded if you think a criminal organization won't shift target right to maintain its revenue with something else. Legalize all you want, but give it up with the reduction of violence nonsense. The end of the prohibition on booze showed the viability of that argument. Criminal organizations moved on.