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Sadly, a nice moral was buried as a result of this nonsense. A teenager knowing they were too drunk to drive, decided they weren't too cool to call a friend and ask for a ride home.
It's funny in a way. We constantly hear teachers exclaim, "We are not babysitters" and yet some schools think they are the parents.
If my child is participating in "illegal" activities during non-school hours or events, will decide my child's punishment, not some school board flunky!
So let me get this straight. Certain schools/school boards feel they have the authority to suspend you from school for participating in activities that have nothing to do with the school?
Sadly, a nice moral was buried as a result of this nonsense. A teenager knowing they were too drunk to drive, decided they weren't too cool to call a friend and ask for a ride home.
It's funny in a way. We constantly hear teachers exclaim, "We are not babysitters" and yet some schools think they are the parents.
If my child is participating in "illegal" activities during non-school hours or events, will decide my child's punishment, not some school board flunky!
She wasn't suspended from school. She was suspended from participating in five of her school's volleyball games. The school of thought is that participating in extra curricular activities like sports, is a privilege and not a right. The school board feels that these people are leaders of their school community, and held to higher standards. The policy usually states that athletes cannot be in attendance at parties where alcohol or drugs are being used. The athletes are usually subject to random drug and alcohol testing as well. All of this is explained, and the athlete signs a form acknowledging the policy, before they are allowed to participate. This girls family has no chance for a civil suit. Its all black and white with no grey area as far as the school board is concerned. Several girls were cut from my daughters cheerleader squad for being in a group photo with alcohol present, on a facebook post.
I'm in no way defending the policy here, merely explaining it.
Zero tolerance requires zero intelligence or wisdom.
Word. The worst thing about this kind of story is that, for the rest of the kids, they will lose all respect for the rules/law and authority. If someone is punished for doing the right thing because of the mandated lack of discretion inherent in zero tolerance policies, then the rules are meaningless.
Zero tolerance requires zero intelligence or wisdom.
Word. The worst thing about this kind of story is that, for the rest of the kids, they will lose all respect for the rules/law and authority. If someone is punished for doing the right thing because of the mandated lack of discretion inherent in zero tolerance policies, then the rules are meaningless.
Exactly. The lesson here is that people in authority are often capricious and narrow minded and that they absolutely should not be trusted with authority. Resisting such people and actively subverting them then becomes an act of patriotism.
She wasn't suspended from school. She was suspended from participating in five of her school's volleyball games. The school of thought is that participating in extra curricular activities like sports, is a privilege and not a right. The school board feels that these people are leaders of their school community, and held to higher standards. The policy usually states that athletes cannot be in attendance at parties where alcohol or drugs are being used. The athletes are usually subject to random drug and alcohol testing as well. All of this is explained, and the athlete signs a form acknowledging the policy, before they are allowed to participate. This girls family has no chance for a civil suit. Its all black and white with no grey area as far as the school board is concerned. Several girls were cut from my daughters cheerleader squad for being in a group photo with alcohol present, on a facebook post.
I'm in no way defending the policy here, merely explaining it.
You're not explaining anything, you've missed the point completely and offered up a half-assed post that has gone sideways with little or no value! Did you miss the part of story where it said the girl ACTED AS A DESIGNATED DRIVER AND NOT EVER WAS IN POSSESSION OR UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL???
She did the right thing coming to the aid of a drunk friend who also did the right thing by not driving and calling for assistance. There should be no interference or discipline from the school whatsoever. In fact, she should be heralded for what she, and to a lesser degree, what her drunk friend did.
The school is sending the opposite message than what they should.
-J.
Moral prudism seems to be on the upswing down south. Hope it doesn't catch onup here. Probably willl though.
In this case the 'moral prudism' is coming from the left (educators) which is ironic given that they were totally against such things until they came into power.
Moral prudism seems to be on the upswing down south. Hope it doesn't catch onup here. Probably willl though.
In this case the 'moral prudism' is coming from the left (educators) which is ironic given that they were totally against such things until they came into power.
Yes I ran into some pretty nasty lefty moral prudism when I was a student in the 90s. Political correctness run amok. Believe it or not, I was considered, just by virtue of a certain political position I had, to be far right at my university.
She wasn't suspended from school. She was suspended from participating in five of her school's volleyball games. The school of thought is that participating in extra curricular activities like sports, is a privilege and not a right. The school board feels that these people are leaders of their school community, and held to higher standards. The policy usually states that athletes cannot be in attendance at parties where alcohol or drugs are being used. The athletes are usually subject to random drug and alcohol testing as well. All of this is explained, and the athlete signs a form acknowledging the policy, before they are allowed to participate. This girls family has no chance for a civil suit. Its all black and white with no grey area as far as the school board is concerned. Several girls were cut from my daughters cheerleader squad for being in a group photo with alcohol present, on a facebook post.
I'm in no way defending the policy here, merely explaining it.
You're not explaining anything, you've missed the point completely and offered up a half-assed post that has gone sideways with little or no value! Did you miss the part of story where it said the girl ACTED AS A DESIGNATED DRIVER AND NOT EVER WAS IN POSSESSION OR UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL???
She did the right thing coming to the aid of a drunk friend who also did the right thing by not driving and calling for assistance. There should be no interference or discipline from the school whatsoever. In fact, she should be heralded for what she, and to a lesser degree, what her drunk friend did.
The school is sending the opposite message than what they should.
-J.
Whoa, chill out dude! I agree with everything you are saying! I think the policy is total bullshit as well. I was trying to make the point that schools are getting kids to sign away their rights in order to play sports, cheerlead, join clubs, etc. Many kids have taken these types of cases (suspension from activities, drug testing) to court, they always lose. They lose because they willingly sign away their rights and agree to go along with these zero tolerance policies. As long as people willingly give up their rights, bullshit like this is only going to get worse.
I probably should have done a bettor job voicing my disgust with these policies than I did, but I am in an extremely good mood today. My Red Sox are up 2-1 in the series, and they play in about an hour.
The goddam principal doesn't have to PROVE a kid is drunk, he can send him home if he even suspects it!
Same principal who bitched to me my son lit up a cigar and waved to him while he waited for the school bus. And I told him his jurisdiction ENDS at the schoolyard fence, the bus stops at a municipal sidewalk that I pay taxes for.
E