 Legal fight to erupt over Winnipeg waterProvincial Politics | 208656 hits | Dec 29 9:02 am | Posted by: Curtman  In December, the City of Winnipeg announced it set aside a plan to extend water pipes into the RMs of Rosser and West St. Paul after receiving a letter from the International Joint Commission, which raised undisclosed issues.Commentsview comments in forum Page 1 2 You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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Ontario gave Winnipeg permission to draw water from Shoal Lake for municipal purposes in an order-in-council in 1913, and the federal government and the International Joint Commission also issued water-taking authorizations in 1913 and 1914. The IJC's letter said these orders gave Winnipeg permission to draw water from Shoal Lake "exclusively" for city residents.
City council has asked the IJC for an expedited decision on the matter.
Despite the revelation, what struck me is the fact Winnipeg officials have still not admitted First Nations leaders may have raised a valid point. First Nations leaders said they have still not heard from Winnipeg officials and allege the city continues to ignore their concerns.
Natives can either join Canada or continue to spiral into irrelevance.
Or they can fight for their rights, and demand that we stop ignoring them, with the backing of international courts.
One hundred years later, it becomes an issue.....an issue of money and how much it'll take to make the shut up and go away for another hundred years.
Exactly!
One hundred years later, it becomes an issue.....an issue of money and how much it'll take to make the shut up and go away for another hundred years.
Exactly!
Makes sense, unless you read the article.
One hundred years later, it becomes an issue.....an issue of money and how much it'll take to make the shut up and go away for another hundred years.
Bingo
Canada has it's own Court, use them. Don't let a Int. Court violate Canadian Sovereignty. Down in the US, the citizens also have the same issues with there native tribes and there is no crying to the illegal Int. Court.
Why do people comment about articles that they can't be bothered to read?
And..
The International Joint Commission: Who We Are
Please note, Curtman, that the Natives already sent the government a bill BEFORE these new pipes were built so you can't claim that's the issue.
The issue is a lack of respect, and the issue is also the contempt that people like yourself, and the others who have chimed in on this thread have for First Nations. You don't even recognize the problem, you just join with the Eyebrock's and Gunnair's who say to hell with our commitments, we'll just do what we want and tell them to forget about the promises we made.
You people make us out to be thieves, and its disgusting.
The issue is that my city believes it has authority to renegotiate a 100 year old agreement without even consulting the other parties.
The issue is a lack of respect, and the issue is also the contempt that people like yourself, and the others who have chimed in on this thread have for First Nations. You don't even recognize the problem, you just join with the Eyebrock's and Gunnair's who say to hell with our commitments, we'll just do what we want and tell them to forget about the promises we made.
You people make us out to be thieves, and its disgusting.
There's some irony here when it comes to the suggestion of lawbreaking.
The issue is that my city believes it has authority to renegotiate a 100 year old agreement without even consulting the other parties.
No, the issue is this.
100 years ago an agreement was signed for the use of the water.
Nothing changed.
The natives then sent the City a bill for the water they used.
So if the natives are all about sticking to agreements, why send the City a bill for something that was negotiated and free for the last 100 years?
The issue is a lack of respect, and the issue is also the contempt that people like yourself, and the others who have chimed in on this thread have for First Nations. You don't even recognize the problem, you just join with the Eyebrock's and Gunnair's who say to hell with our commitments, we'll just do what we want and tell them to forget about the promises we made.
You people make us out to be thieves, and its disgusting.
The Natives can't harp over a broken agreement then break the agreement themselves by sending the City a bill.
The Natives aren't fooling anyone. They don't care about the water nor is sharing the water going to affect anything or anybody...this is about money, so the question remains, how much money will it cost to make the issue go away?
The other issue that factors into this..
Manitoba premier opposes Ontario gold mine (2004)
Winnipeg gets its drinking water from Shoal Lake, which is on the Ontario-Manitoba border. A 150-kilometre aqueduct from the lake has fed the city's water system for 85 years.
The First Nations have a lot to gain from scrapping the agreement and pursuing gold mining instead. For the city to force this issue by breaching the contract is bizarre, and irresponsible.
Lots probably.
The bill was for the sum total of what the city has charged us residents of Winnipeg for that water.
But why now?
That's not part of the 100 year old agreement, so why are they charging now?
The other issue that factors into this..
The First Nations have a lot to gain from scrapping the agreement and pursuing gold mining instead. For the city to force this issue by breaching the contract is bizarre, and irresponsible.
As is their breach of contract by charging for water, but that doesn't appear to make a blip on your radar.
You're trying to sell this is some sort of outrage.
It's sharing the water with more homes. The lake isn't going to dry out. This is just a reason to come with their hands out asking for more money.
They can't maintain their own homes let alone build a gold mine. Let's get realistic here.
The bill was for the sum total of what the city has charged us residents of Winnipeg for that water.
But why now?
That's not part of the 100 year old agreement, so why are they charging now?
Because of , and because the city wants to bring water and waste services to the R.M. of Rosser, and the R.M. of West St. Paul. That's not part of the 100 year old agreement.