Lance Armstrong charged by US Anti-Doping Agency

And this is a suprise...............how?

Because as the rest of the world knows. Never failing a drug test doesn't mean you don't use performance enhancing drugs.

Maybe he should be talking to Carl "I was always clean" Lewis about how to deal with these blatent lies.

Just like with Roger Clemens I'm always amazed at how tough these anti-doping pollyannas are when they decide to go after a guy AFTER his career is over. What a bunch of craven dipshits they are.

To bad Ben Johnson couldn't afford Balco like Carl Lewis and had to rely on Horse Steriods to win his medal.

But you're right they only go after these clowns when their careers are finished and they've given all the glory and medals to the US that they're going to.

With all the doping by the US Olympic teams in the 80's and 90's it's amazing that they still complained about the East Germans.

Guess that means case closed. This is CKA afterall.

Charged=GUILTY.

Did I ever say he was "guilty"?

I may have infered it but I never came out and said it like you claim. But if you get called up in front of the US anti doping agency chances are they've done their homework and you're probably guilty.

Unlike Civilian courts, it's kind of like being charged in the Military was. Given the nature of the beast going before the mast was just a formality to see how much time you got since you're guilt had been established before the trial by a thorough investigation or they wouldn't have bothered charging you.

I don't much care whether he's found guilty in a criminal case or not. The court of public opinion has already ruled on Lance Armstrong and concluded he is a lying, cheating piece of shit. His charity work for cancer is admirable and I might have even called that enough to square him with me. But since he also got to fuck Sheryl Crow, fuck him. Armstrong is a cheating cunt and he can line up with Bonds, Clemens, Giambi, Pettitte, Ben Johnson, Carl Lewis, and nearly every player in the NFL over the past 20 years so I can piss on the lot of them.

It's a sad, sad state when Jose Canseco is the LEAST greasy person among a group of people; this group being cheating professional athletes. At least he told the damn truth. Remember Rafael Palmeiro pointing his finger at Congressional hearings? There've been too many tragedies in sports caused by steroid use and other medical cheating to give anyone a pass on it. Tell the families of Ken Caminitti, Lyle Alzedo, Junior Seau and hundreds of others that Armstrong should get a pass.

"All I wanna do, is Sheryl Crow. I got a feelin' I'm not the only one."

Junior Seau committed suicide because of post-concussion syndrome and really not anything to do with a disease or condition caused by steroid use. I'm sure Seau did steroids like the rest of them do but in his case it was the brain damage from repetitive impact injuries to his cranium that caused him to end his own life. The probably illegal PED use was most likely a much smaller factor in his particular case. Other than that your list is spot on. Toss in names like John Kordic too because the NHL teams and players sure aren't immune from all sorts of internal assholery either.

Money talks and nothing else in these businesses is as important as money. A billion in profit per year is all the explanation as to why the NFL willingly turns away from doing anything at all about it's epidemic of concussions, rampant drug-abuse, and the truly rotten off-field behaviour of far too many of the players. That being said, if these guys don't produce, by fair means or foul, then they don't get paid. Or even hired. Hence the PED use and the willingness of almost all to look the other way. Professional sports has turned into a sewer over the last three decades. It's be wiser to expect things to get worse and not better as time goes by. I'd prefer it if society in general would grow up a bit and quit mythologizing sports altogether. It's that sort of collective stupidity that's provided too much cover for crooked owners, evil bullying coaches, greedy drugged-out borderline-criminal players, and outright pieces of vile shit like Graham James and Jerry Sandusky to hide behind. These guys in any of these leagues aren't heroes. Heroes join police and fire departments, the military, or become nurses and doctors. Sports players are just collecting paycheques for doing a job, and nothing more.

Good points on Kordic, James and Sandusky...that list needs David Frost on it. Seau belongs in the group because it's the steroid-fuelled body-mass and aggression that is causing these brain injuries in the NFL. The NFL is a criminal conspiracy on par with Richard Dawson's Running Man show and it's a money-power-steroid-slavery cocktail that fuels its policies.

Did I ever say he was "guilty"?

I may have infered it but I never came out and said it like you claim. But if you get called up in front of the US anti doping agency chances are they've done their homework and you're probably guilty.

Unlike Civilian courts, it's kind of like being charged in the Military was. Given the nature of the beast going before the mast was just a formality to see how much time you got since you're guilt had been established before the trial by a thorough investigation or they wouldn't have bothered charging you.
Wait a minute now. I was in the military and I seen more than my share of innocent people get screwed over by the military justice system. Any time something goes wrong in the military, someone has to hang for it. They do not beleive in accidents,or fate. Someone is always to blame. Happen to be the ranking man on duty when things go south,and you are going to get screwed. A cable snaps, a bolt shears, check the maintence logs. Someone is going down hard! Were you in charge when your base was sneak attacked? You're fucked. You should have seen it coming. Have a beef with a civillian? Good luck with that. The military will always take the civillian side to keep the peace,especially in a foriegn theater. I remember being TDY in Zaragoza Spain. A bunch of Spainaird starting messing with one of our Mexican American troops[apparently losing Mexico was still a sore spot for Spain at the time]. Several Spainards jumped our guy. Big mistake. He fucked them up big time. One Spainard got thrown though a plate glass window. He happened to be the local mayor's son. Our guy gets jumped by several guys. He fucks them up. He gets discharged for conduct unbecoming, bringing discredit, starting an international incident. etc. He defended himself,and he got fucked over because of politics. It happens every day in the military.

So far the only thing Lance Armstong is guilty of is being stabbed in the back by several losers [who are not fit to wash his jock strap] who got caught doping themselves. They are losers,and want to drag a winner down to their level. I happen to think that passing hundreds of tests DOES mean something! I believe in giving someone the benefit of a doubt. Lets let the agency do their job.

That's right, so far, are the key words here but I'm pretty sure that the American Anti-Doping agency wouldn't be bringing these charges against Armstrong unless they had iron clad evidence against him, especially since he never tested positive for any banned drugs and I'm pretty sure they aren't going to convict him on hearsay by a disgruntled former teammate.

But since there has been a history of athletes using banned substances and having the governing bodies look the other way it's not a stretch to think that a 7 time Tour De France winner may have been juicing.

Here's an article about another star athlete that never tested positive for steroids and yet was doing them all along.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/ ... 09693.html

As for the Military there may have been a instances where a person was genuinely innocent but I personally can't recall any of them and for the record I did over two years as a Base Discip and ended up charging over 200 sailors, none of whom were innocent.

I never heard of cases like the one you describe happening to our people. As the matter of fact we were in Manzanillo Mexico for a fuel stop and 2 young Ordinary Seamen got liquored up and commandered a taxi belonging to the Mayor's daughter trying to get back to the ship before the midnight curfew.

As you can guess. This went over like a lead ballon and the Mexicans actually had their Federales march down onto the jetty and demand these two Ordinary Seamen be turned over to the Mexican authorities. Long story short they were armed and going to come onboard the inboard ship until the Action alarm sounded and 2 3"70's were trained on them.

Fortunately they thought disgression was the better part of valour and left. As for the two young Ordinary Seamen. They were charged, got a suitable punishment and carried on with long Naval Careers.

Maybe that's the difference between our militaries.

That's right, so far, are the key words here but I'm pretty sure that the American Anti-Doping agency wouldn't be bringing these charges against Armstrong unless they had iron clad evidence against him, especially since he never tested positive for any banned drugs and I'm pretty sure they aren't going to convict him on hearsay by a disgruntled former teammate.

But since there has been a history of athletes using banned substances and having the governing bodies look the other way it's not a stretch to think that a 7 time Tour De France winner may have been juicing.

Here's an article about another star athlete that never tested positive for steroids and yet was doing them all along.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/ ... 09693.html

As for the Military there may have been a instances where a person was genuinely innocent but I personally can't recall any of them and for the record I did over two years as a Base Discip and ended up charging over 200 sailors, none of whom were innocent.

I never heard of cases like the one you describe happening to our people. As the matter of fact we were in Manzanillo Mexico for a fuel stop and 2 young Ordinary Seamen got liquored up and commandered a taxi belonging to the Mayor's daughter trying to get back to the ship before the midnight curfew.

As you can guess. This went over like a lead ballon and the Mexicans actually had their Federales march down onto the jetty and demand these two Ordinary Seamen be turned over to the Mexican authorities. Long story short they were armed and going to come onboard the inboard ship until the Action alarm sounded and 2 3"70's were trained on them.

Fortunately they thought disgression was the better part of valour and left. As for the two young Ordinary Seamen. They were charged, got a suitable punishment and carried on with long Naval Careers.

Maybe that's the difference between our militaries.
Mabey Lance is guilty, mabey he is not. I would prefer that his case is tried in a professional setting, not in the court of public opinion. I will admit that I have been guilty of convicting people in the court of public opinion myself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stuart_(murderer)

I remember living in Boston during the Charles Stuart incident. It was the very first case of U.S. police using tracking a cellphone to locate a victems location. Chuck told the police how he and his wife had been robbed,and shot by a black man. Soon after that report the Boston Police Department went on a rampage against the black community. Black people were being slammed against walls and searched. Anyone that had anything illegal on them were suspect. Anyone on parole or probation were suspect. They were told to inform on Willie Bennett,or go to jail. I was all for it at the time,I wanted blood,I wanted revenge. All of Boston was up in arms. We picked Willie Bennett for our fall guy. Liberal left wing Mass. was calling for the re-instatement of the death penalty for this crime. I was among those calling for the re-instatement of the death penalty. If I was on the jury, my hatred would have made me convict Bennett. An innocent man would have died because of some low life lying piece of shit,family murdering white trash like Stuart, and my predudice to believe him. We all learned a lot the day Charles Stuart jumped off the bridge. Willie was our fall guy, all of us that wanted to hang him were guilty. I was guilty. I have learned to not judge a man guilty in the court of public opinion from that incident. Let Lance have his day in a real court free from public opinion.

If the case was so iron-clad, why the Federal Prosecutors drop the criminal case, even after close-door Grand Jury testimony? It now rolls into a doping conspiracy "charge" with an organization that has no authority

The USDA really have no jurisdiction to do anything but ASK he be banned from sports and ASK that he be stripped of his medals.

In the end, he's already guilty in the eyes of the public. No trial or hearing is necessary. The majority, including you, think he's guilty anyways.

Yup, he's guilty... but in his defense, 82.6% of all men competing in "Le tour de France", are doped.



...and yes, I pulled that percentage out of my ass.

What exactly would they charge him with? That's like charging PA 9 for smoking pot, without finding it in his possession or even in his system. He's even admitted he smokes pot - do you think any prosecutor on the land would charge him on that basis? Criminal charges are different than procedures by sports bodies. If they find on preponderance of evidence that he used EPO, then strip him of his wins - that seems right to me. Personally I doubt anybody can win the TDF these days without doping.

OTOH, there's a lot of silliness in the drug rules. Pot is illegal. Why, whose performance is enhanced by pot except Ross Reglibatti's, (cause he's such a chronic and wouldn't be "normal" without it)? Drinking lots of coffee is OK, caffeine pills aren't. Why? You can get the same effect as EPO by training at high altitudes and sleeping in an oxygen tent, which is not illegal.