Despite standing as one of the world's strongest supporters of the troubled F-35 and fighting an election, in part, on obtaining the aircraft, Associate Defence Minister Julian Fantino admitted Tuesday the Conservative government hasn't ruled out walking away from the stealth fighter program.
Responding to NDP questions during an appearance before the Commons' defence committee, Fantino said the government remains supportive of the F-35, but the government had not made "the determinate decision" on whether it will purchase the F-35, and that it had not "discounted backing out."
Fantino also confirmed the government doesn't know how much each stealth fighter will cost.
"We can't give you that definitive number now," he said.
This is hilarious. They knew exactly how much they would cost 1 year ago, and insisted the price was locked in.
Stephen Harper says he stands by his cost estimate for the F-35 stealth fighters.
The prime minister made the declaration Wednesday, even though the Pentagon's latest estimate for the version of the fighter jet Canada intends to buy is double what the Conservative government has projected.
In defending the $9-billion sticker price, Canada's Defence Department has said it will pay between US$70 million and US$75 million for each aircraft, a figure that the parliamentary budget officer has disputed.
The Pentagon recently projected it will pay $151 million for each aircraft for the F-35A, the standard runway take-off and landing version of the fighter bomber.
The U.S. Government Accountability Office, crunching numbers earlier this month, pegged the cost between $110 million and $115 million per plane. But defence experts said that report doesn't take into account recent changes to the program.
Harper says there are cost increases in the U.S. program that have no impact on Canada and he's confident of the numbers he's been given by officials.
Sorry to say, but your chances of building the Arrow are better than that of ever seeing the F-35 in production. That plane is just a curse and a massive black hole for money.
"CDN_PATRIOT" said We need to spring for the SuperHornets. It's the most logical course of action.
-J.
If we are looking at alternatives, I think the Typhoon should be considered. While it isn't stealthy like the F-35, no other alternatives are. It also is a little more modern than the Hornet Mark 2.
"saturn_656" said We need to spring for the SuperHornets. It's the most logical course of action.
-J.
If we are looking at alternatives, I think the Typhoon should be considered. While it isn't stealthy like the F-35, no other alternatives are. It also is a little more modern than the Hornet Mark 2.
Someone will have a hay-day with this one, the Pak Fa. It's cheaper, should be ready by our required 2018-2020 time frame, and Russia is looking for buyers (keep in mind they don't care who they sell their weapons too) and very likely would be willing to let us build most the damned thing here if we wanted too.
"Canadian_Mind" said We need to spring for the SuperHornets. It's the most logical course of action.
-J.
If we are looking at alternatives, I think the Typhoon should be considered. While it isn't stealthy like the F-35, no other alternatives are. It also is a little more modern than the Hornet Mark 2.
Someone will have a hay-day with this one, the Pak Fa. It's cheaper, should be ready by our required 2018-2020 time frame, and Russia is looking for buyers (keep in mind they don't care who they sell their weapons too) and very likely would be willing to let us build most the damned thing here if we wanted too. Only problem is how do you tell friend from foe?
The F-35 has been an overhyped cash hole for years and the Cons are just starting to realize that. Funny. Wonder they'll realize they should start focusing on all those defense related projects for that northen sovereingty drumbeat they've been singing for years.
I say dump the damn F-35 already and open up an international competition with the likes of the Indian MMRCA.
Someone will have a hay-day with this one, the Pak Fa. It's cheaper, should be ready by our required 2018-2020 time frame, and Russia is looking for buyers (keep in mind they don't care who they sell their weapons too) and very likely would be willing to let us build most the damned thing here if we wanted too.
Only problem is how do you tell friend from foe?
I'd assume the same way we always have. Don't modern fighters still carry transponders for identification by other units as friendly? I don't see why one couldn't be installed.
Ya its called IFF (Identify Friend or Foe) and its been around in the US for about 20 years. Pretty sure RCAF only got it for CF18s in the last upgrade a few years ago tho. I wouldny mind Typhoon or Super Hornet. Never really liked the looks of delta-wings tho.
"Shadow_Flanker" said The F-35 has been an overhyped cash hole for years and the Cons are just starting to realize that. Funny. Wonder they'll realize they should start focusing on all those defense related projects for that northen sovereingty drumbeat they've been singing for years.
I say dump the damn F-35 already and open up an international competition with the likes of the Indian MMRCA.
My plan B would be the F18 E/F. Makes more sense than a dodgy Russian or Indian aircraft.
Interesting. That sounds like a one-way ground-air system though but im sure an early precursor. Current IFF allows the pilot to "interrogate" a targeted aircraft or ground vehicle prior to firing on it.
Responding to NDP questions during an appearance before the Commons' defence committee, Fantino said the government remains supportive of the F-35, but the government had not made "the determinate decision" on whether it will purchase the F-35, and that it had not "discounted backing out."
Fantino also confirmed the government doesn't know how much each stealth fighter will cost.
"We can't give you that definitive number now," he said.
This is hilarious. They knew exactly how much they would cost 1 year ago, and insisted the price was locked in.
The prime minister made the declaration Wednesday, even though the Pentagon's latest estimate for the version of the fighter jet Canada intends to buy is double what the Conservative government has projected.
In defending the $9-billion sticker price, Canada's Defence Department has said it will pay between US$70 million and US$75 million for each aircraft, a figure that the parliamentary budget officer has disputed.
The Pentagon recently projected it will pay $151 million for each aircraft for the F-35A, the standard runway take-off and landing version of the fighter bomber.
The U.S. Government Accountability Office, crunching numbers earlier this month, pegged the cost between $110 million and $115 million per plane. But defence experts said that report doesn't take into account recent changes to the program.
Harper says there are cost increases in the U.S. program that have no impact on Canada and he's confident of the numbers he's been given by officials.
-J.
We need to spring for the SuperHornets. It's the most logical course of action.
-J.
Agreed.
We need to spring for the SuperHornets. It's the most logical course of action.
-J.
If we are looking at alternatives, I think the Typhoon should be considered. While it isn't stealthy like the F-35, no other alternatives are. It also is a little more modern than the Hornet Mark 2.
We need to spring for the SuperHornets. It's the most logical course of action.
-J.
If we are looking at alternatives, I think the Typhoon should be considered. While it isn't stealthy like the F-35, no other alternatives are. It also is a little more modern than the Hornet Mark 2.
Someone will have a hay-day with this one, the Pak Fa. It's cheaper, should be ready by our required 2018-2020 time frame, and Russia is looking for buyers (keep in mind they don't care who they sell their weapons too) and very likely would be willing to let us build most the damned thing here if we wanted too.
We need to spring for the SuperHornets. It's the most logical course of action.
-J.
If we are looking at alternatives, I think the Typhoon should be considered. While it isn't stealthy like the F-35, no other alternatives are. It also is a little more modern than the Hornet Mark 2.
Someone will have a hay-day with this one, the Pak Fa. It's cheaper, should be ready by our required 2018-2020 time frame, and Russia is looking for buyers (keep in mind they don't care who they sell their weapons too) and very likely would be willing to let us build most the damned thing here if we wanted too.
Only problem is how do you tell friend from foe?
I say dump the damn F-35 already and open up an international competition with the likes of the Indian MMRCA.
Someone will have a hay-day with this one, the Pak Fa. It's cheaper, should be ready by our required 2018-2020 time frame, and Russia is looking for buyers (keep in mind they don't care who they sell their weapons too) and very likely would be willing to let us build most the damned thing here if we wanted too.
Only problem is how do you tell friend from foe?
I'd assume the same way we always have. Don't modern fighters still carry transponders for identification by other units as friendly? I don't see why one couldn't be installed.
http://www.battleofbritain1940.net/document-14.html
The F-35 has been an overhyped cash hole for years and the Cons are just starting to realize that. Funny. Wonder they'll realize they should start focusing on all those defense related projects for that northen sovereingty drumbeat they've been singing for years.
I say dump the damn F-35 already and open up an international competition with the likes of the Indian MMRCA.
My plan B would be the F18 E/F. Makes more sense than a dodgy Russian or Indian aircraft.