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Canada's floundering submarine fleet

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Canada's floundering submarine fleet


Misc CDN | 206977 hits | Nov 12 11:41 pm | Posted by: Hyack
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Canada's navy is promising its Victoria-class submarines will by fully operational by 2013 -- nearly 15 years after the boats were purchased from the United Kingdom.

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  1. by avatar bootlegga
    Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:32 pm
    What's there for W5 to investigate - I think everyone agrees these subs were a terrible purchase. We should get rid of the lot of them and by new subs.

  2. by avatar Gunnair  Gold Member
    Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:38 pm
    "bootlegga" said
    What's there for W5 to investigate - I think everyone agrees these subs were a terrible purchase. We should get rid of the lot of them and by new subs.


    Won't happen as it is too expensive. Fact is it's cheaper (though very short sighted) to keep throwing money at the clunkers than it is to go to the car lot and buy new.

  3. by avatar saturn_656
    Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:31 pm
    Why do they even ask the Rideau Institute to comment? When it comes to all matters military, they have as much credibility as a priest in a whore house.

  4. by Canadian_Mind
    Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:23 pm

    Kenny said Canada should consider licensing the design of a submarine from a European country, like Germany, and have six to eight of them built in Canada, a process that will take five to seven years before new subs could be added to the fleet.


    I like this guy. Accept make it 12, 4 for each coast. :D

  5. by avatar CDN_PATRIOT
    Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:50 pm
    "Canadian_Mind" said

    Kenny said Canada should consider licensing the design of a submarine from a European country, like Germany, and have six to eight of them built in Canada, a process that will take five to seven years before new subs could be added to the fleet.


    I like this guy. Accept make it 12, 4 for each coast. :D


    Concur. Making them here in Canada would create jobs, and help the local economies. We probably would save money building them here, an maybe even have them done sooner than scheduled. 12 would be a good number.

    -J.

  6. by Canadian_Mind
    Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:16 am
    "CDN_PATRIOT" said

    Kenny said Canada should consider licensing the design of a submarine from a European country, like Germany, and have six to eight of them built in Canada, a process that will take five to seven years before new subs could be added to the fleet.


    I like this guy. Accept make it 12, 4 for each coast. :D


    Concur. Making them here in Canada would create jobs, and help the local economies. We probably would save money building them here, an maybe even have them done sooner than scheduled. 12 would be a good number.

    -J.

    How I came up with the 12 is to finish what we started with the Victorias, and put them into service in 2013. Then order 6-8 U-212s or 214s by 2013 for 2018-2020 delivery. Then a few years down the road, say 2018 or 2019, place another order for another 4-6 U-212s or U214s, with a scheduled delivery date of 2024-2025. Then either scrap the Victorias or stick them into reserves.

    This would allow an almost 12 year period of uninterrupted construction of a proven design, giving Canadians guaranteed work (If we built them here, maybe a job for the folks in Quebec/Ontario?). This would also allow us to slowly grow our submarine fleet, so we don't end up with 12 boats at once, and no one to crew them.

    Granted, the navy isn't my cup of tea. 12 just makes sense because it guarantees 2-3 in the water on each coast at any one time. I look to Gunnair to give a better and more informed opinion, I just hope he doesn't school my ass here completely and make me look like a total retard. :lol:

  7. by avatar Gunnair  Gold Member
    Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:52 am
    "Canadian_Mind" said


    I like this guy. Accept make it 12, 4 for each coast. :D


    Concur. Making them here in Canada would create jobs, and help the local economies. We probably would save money building them here, an maybe even have them done sooner than scheduled. 12 would be a good number.

    -J.

    How I came up with the 12 is to finish what we started with the Victorias, and put them into service in 2013. Then order 6-8 U-212s or 214s by 2013 for 2018-2020 delivery. Then a few years down the road, say 2018 or 2019, place another order for another 4-6 U-212s or U214s, with a scheduled delivery date of 2024-2025. Then either scrap the Victorias or stick them into reserves.

    This would allow an almost 12 year period of uninterrupted construction of a proven design, giving Canadians guaranteed work (If we built them here, maybe a job for the folks in Quebec/Ontario?). This would also allow us to slowly grow our submarine fleet, so we don't end up with 12 boats at once, and no one to crew them.

    Granted, the navy isn't my cup of tea. 12 just makes sense because it guarantees 2-3 in the water on each coast at any one time. I look to Gunnair to give a better and more informed opinion, I just hope he doesn't school my ass here completely and make me look like a total retard. :lol:

    Not sure we have than manpower to crew that many, frankly. Six might be better with four operational at any given time, maybe push it to eight. Unlikely to see too many stationed in the Arctic beyond a few months at a time simply because of the logistical cost.

    Anyway, it's all pie in the sky dreaming at this point. Not a thing will happen in this current climate save for maybe a trim of the current fleet to save some coin.



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