Yet if war is the continuance of politics by other means, the War of 1812 may well prove the opposite is true as well. Canada is not the only former combatant gearing up for the bicentennial. Our former adversaries, those rebellious and aggressive America
Will be quite interesting to see how the "Harper Government" walks tne fine line between their policies of celebrating military history and kissing American ass.
"BeaverFever" said Will be quite interesting to see how the "Harper Government" walks tne fine line between their policies of celebrating military history and kissing American ass.
The War of 1812 was pretty much a draw. The US gained little ground, the Brit's repelled the invasion but stopped press-ganging US citizens in the RN and started to take the US seriously as a nation. It also started the ball rolling to the amalgamation of the BNA colonies into a country.
I've said it once, and i'll say it again - British objectives realized and America's repulsed. It's no victory for the United States unless one wants consciously omit the obvious and hunt for the secondary and tertiary results (but then, that's not sound history, is it?). If all you've got left is needling, then it's pretty much done.
"EyeBrock" said The War of 1812 was pretty much a draw. The US gained little ground, the Brit's repelled the invasion but stopped press-ganging US citizens in the RN and started to take the US seriously as a nation. It also started the ball rolling to the amalgamation of the BNA colonies into a country.
It's worth remembering it 200 years on.
WE repulsed the Americans. British, French, Indians and settler militias. The press gangs stopped once Napoleon went down. The US gained no territory, but in return won acceptance of a national army and a navy that earned British respect. And as the PBS series pointed out (which I never really grasped before) was the Indians got FUBAR'd forever. The fact we're here shows Canadians were the only ones to "win" anything out of the dispute.
"BeaverFever" said Will be quite interesting to see how the "Harper Government" walks tne fine line between their policies of celebrating military history and kissing American ass.
"EyeBrock" said The War of 1812 was pretty much a draw. The US gained little ground, the Brit's repelled the invasion but stopped press-ganging US citizens in the RN and started to take the US seriously as a nation. It also started the ball rolling to the amalgamation of the BNA colonies into a country.
It's worth remembering it 200 years on.
What the USA accomplished was, like you said, British recognition of US sovereignty on the high seas, and the USA also bloodied Britain's nose sufficiently that the British military stayed out of our Civil War. What the British blunted were the immediate territorial goals of the Warhawks but this conflict set the tone for later negotiations such as with the Oregon Territory and the San Juan Islands.
"fifeboy" said Will be quite interesting to see how the "Harper Government" walks tne fine line between their policies of celebrating military history and kissing American ass.
Well Bart, you have always had a good handle on our joint histories.
There are others on CKA who in one breath slag off the monarchy and our historical Brit links but in the next will be telling us all how Canadians kicked Yank arse in the war of 1812 and burned down the White House.
Will be quite interesting to see how the "Harper Government" walks tne fine line between their policies of celebrating military history and kissing American ass.
It's worth remembering it 200 years on.
The War of 1812 was pretty much a draw. The US gained little ground, the Brit's repelled the invasion but stopped press-ganging US citizens in the RN and started to take the US seriously as a nation. It also started the ball rolling to the amalgamation of the BNA colonies into a country.
It's worth remembering it 200 years on.
WE repulsed the Americans. British, French, Indians and settler militias.
The press gangs stopped once Napoleon went down.
The US gained no territory, but in return won acceptance of a national army and a navy that earned British respect.
And as the PBS series pointed out (which I never really grasped before) was the Indians got FUBAR'd forever.
The fact we're here shows Canadians were the only ones to "win" anything out of the dispute.
On the weed early today herbie?
The fact we're here shows Canadians were the only ones to "win" anything out of the dispute.
That's the truth in a nutshell.
Will be quite interesting to see how the "Harper Government" walks tne fine line between their policies of celebrating military history and kissing American ass.
The War of 1812 was pretty much a draw. The US gained little ground, the Brit's repelled the invasion but stopped press-ganging US citizens in the RN and started to take the US seriously as a nation. It also started the ball rolling to the amalgamation of the BNA colonies into a country.
It's worth remembering it 200 years on.
What the USA accomplished was, like you said, British recognition of US sovereignty on the high seas, and the USA also bloodied Britain's nose sufficiently that the British military stayed out of our Civil War. What the British blunted were the immediate territorial goals of the Warhawks but this conflict set the tone for later negotiations such as with the Oregon Territory and the San Juan Islands.
Will be quite interesting to see how the "Harper Government" walks tne fine line between their policies of celebrating military history and kissing American ass.
Is this a joke too?
There are others on CKA who in one breath slag off the monarchy and our historical Brit links but in the next will be telling us all how Canadians kicked Yank arse in the war of 1812 and burned down the White House.
Yea, right.