Eat less meat to help double world's food supply: study

*burp*

Sorry, I'm not a fucking rabbit.

Try getting the world's poulation under control, then get back to me.

Until then, piss off.

I agree with you there Martin.

Instead of trying to figure out how to feed more people, maybe we should be looking at stopping population growth and even bringing the population down a bit.

What? We need people to breed more to have lots of young workers to support all us old farts. Especially in China, which is going to be a tidal wave when it hits. And here in Canada, where we should be importing a million people a year to reverse the demographic aging. It's economic suicide to reduce the population.

What? We need people to breed more to have lots of young workers to support all us old farts. Especially in China, which is going to be a tidal wave when it hits. And here in Canada, where we should be importing a million people a year to reverse the demographic aging. It's economic suicide to reduce the population.
We can tell industry that if they want economic growth, they'll have to find other markets somewhere. I bet that in a few years, they'd have found intelligent life on at least 3 or 4 other planets. Best incentive we could give for space exploration.

I'll agree with that.

I'm not a massive carnivore, but the food shortages are caused by a lot more than just producing meat. I don't know about other countries, but most cattle grazing land in Alberta isn't good enough to grow crops (poor soil, poor access to water, etc), which is why it is used for grazing instead.

What? We need people to breed more to have lots of young workers to support all us old farts. Especially in China, which is going to be a tidal wave when it hits. And here in Canada, where we should be importing a million people a year to reverse the demographic aging. It's economic suicide to reduce the population.

To my knowledge, there was no baby boom in most of the Third World, that was a Western world issue.

Canada doesn't need a million immigrants a year to deal with the Boomer financial bubble - the 250,000 we get now is plenty (that's a million every four years or five million in 20 years).

What? We need people to breed more to have lots of young workers to support all us old farts. Especially in China, which is going to be a tidal wave when it hits. And here in Canada, where we should be importing a million people a year to reverse the demographic aging. It's economic suicide to reduce the population.

To my knowledge, there was no baby boom in most of the Third World, that was a Western world issue.

Canada doesn't need a million immigrants a year to deal with the Boomer financial bubble - the 250,000 we get now is plenty (that's a million every four years or five million in 20 years).

Nope, sorry. To reverse the ageing trend, or the short term, we need that million a year. Even Kenney said so, but also said that it would never fly politically. And of course that just puts it off for a few decades, because those million immigrants (assuming they're all young people and not 25% grannies like now) will eventually get old and need even more young people imported to support them.

The 3rd world didn't have a baby boom, it just continued to boom all along.

I've done my part by helping to reduce the population in SW Asia!

To my knowledge, there was no baby boom in most of the Third World, that was a Western world issue.

Canada doesn't need a million immigrants a year to deal with the Boomer financial bubble - the 250,000 we get now is plenty (that's a million every four years or five million in 20 years).

Nope, sorry. To reverse the ageing trend, or the short term, we need that million a year. Even Kenney said so, but also said that it would never fly politically. And of course that just puts it off for a few decades, because those million immigrants (assuming they're all young people and not 25% grannies like now) will eventually get old and need even more young people imported to support them.

The 3rd world didn't have a baby boom, it just continued to boom all along.

Yeah, because Kenney said it, it's gospel right?

Do the math - the Boomers number about 9 million, which is roughly one in four Canadians, while in 20 years we get 5 million immigrants - which should be plenty to help pay for their health care and retirement costs.

You also need to remember that the hundreds of billions of dollars the Boomers have in RRSPs become taxable at age 69 (when they HAVE to either cash them in or convert them to RRIF), which is 2015 for the youngest of the Boomers. That additional tax base, coupled with the close to six million or so immigrants we've had since 1991 should be more than enough to cover the Boomers.

There is an estimate that the world population is going to cap around 9 billion people and start shrinking naturally, we are already seeing non-immigrant population drops in first world countries.

I wonder what they'll taste like?

And as for eating less meat to save the starving third world, many of their nutritional shortcoming are the result of 'green' energy. Instead of growing grain for human consumption, farmers are now setting aside more and more land to raise corn for biodiesel production. It's more lucrative.

Shhh, don't say that, the greens will come after you with some argument about how it is still only our fault and has nothing to do with what they are promoting.

Yeah, because Kenney said it, it's gospel right?

Do the math - the Boomers number about 9 million, which is roughly one in four Canadians, while in 20 years we get 5 million immigrants - which should be plenty to help pay for their health care and retirement costs.

You also need to remember that the hundreds of billions of dollars the Boomers have in RRSPs become taxable at age 69 (when they HAVE to either cash them in or convert them to RRIF), which is 2015 for the youngest of the Boomers. That additional tax base, coupled with the close to six million or so immigrants we've had since 1991 should be more than enough to cover the Boomers.

Well, 25% of those 5 million will be old themselves, so you have to subtract them from the young immigrant column and put them in the boomer column. Those 4 million immigrants, on average, earn much less than Canadians, so cost the govt 17 billion a year in social services themselves, so they won't be contributing enough to pay for all that health care of my generation.

And then those 5 million, and Canadian gen x will also grow old, and also have too few people to support them, etc. Or do you only care about the boomers?

Yeah, because Kenney said it, it's gospel right?

Do the math - the Boomers number about 9 million, which is roughly one in four Canadians, while in 20 years we get 5 million immigrants - which should be plenty to help pay for their health care and retirement costs.

You also need to remember that the hundreds of billions of dollars the Boomers have in RRSPs become taxable at age 69 (when they HAVE to either cash them in or convert them to RRIF), which is 2015 for the youngest of the Boomers. That additional tax base, coupled with the close to six million or so immigrants we've had since 1991 should be more than enough to cover the Boomers.

Well, 25% of those 5 million will be old themselves, so you have to subtract them from the young immigrant column and put them in the boomer column. Those 4 million immigrants, on average, earn much less than Canadians, so cost the govt 17 billion a year in social services themselves, so they won't be contributing enough to pay for all that health care of my generation.

And then those 5 million, and Canadian gen x will also grow old, and also have too few people to support them, etc. Or do you only care about the boomers?
The problem with the Boomers is that the generation that followed them (Gen X) is much smaller (6 million compared to the Boomers 9 million), so it's irrelevant that the Xers will eventually get old. The generation that followed them (Gen Y/Baby bust) is much larger than they are and will have plenty of taxpayers to cover their old age costs.

You can keep tossing out your $17 billion/year figure, but you've done nothing to prove its accurate. I'm sure I too could find a biased group and cherry pick stats from them too, but why bother. History has shown that immigration has been a very good thing overall for Canada, and I'm not inclined to believe some right wing group's slanted research over our own history.

Even if a small percentage of those 6 million immigrants are old and will incur costs, the sheer amount of tax revenues from the others will far outweigh those costs.

It was mighty convenient of you to gloss over the billion and billions in tax revenues that future government will reap from RRSPs.