 Palestinian bid for UN membership promises dramatic week Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas announced this weekend that he would submit his bid for full membership in the United Nations to UN chief Ban Ki-moon on Friday during the annual General Assembly session in New York.Commentsview comments in forum You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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The Israeli's have nothing to fear, Barry will cave in and veto the qhole thing. He doesn't have the balls to do anything other than grovel to what ever Israel wants.
As he should, since a state that openly calls for the destruction of another in the United Nations isn't exactly a good idea. There is enough anti-Israel bigotry without the Palestinians.
I don't think that Abbas has called for the destruction of Israel. I could be wrong--I always thought he was a moderate. Or what passes for a moderate in that neck of the woods, anyways.
Seems more like a PR ploy than anything else. If I were the UN, I'd send Abbas back and say sort it out between yourselves. The UN--and the rest of the world body politic-spends too much time already on that scuffle.
I don't think that Abbas has called for the destruction of Israel.
I'd figure Hamas would be apart of any Palestinian "state", and last I checked, Hamas still calls for the destruction of Israel.
Seems more like a PR ploy than anything else. If I were the UN, I'd send Abbas back and say sort it out between yourselves. The UN--and the rest of the world body politic-spends too much time already on that scuffle.
I don't think that Abbas has called for the destruction of Israel.
I'd figure Hamas would be apart of any Palestinian "state", and last I checked, Hamas still calls for the destruction of Israel.
You are aware that Hamas is only able to succeed to the level that it is is because Hamas is the only group nearby that has actually been doing anything for Palestine. Their popularity comes from the fact that all the international bodies are either dead set on one side or the other and are completely unwilling to enter genuine negotiations. The only way that Palestinians can do anything is by embracing Hamas, if they are given a genuine nations with a genuine military it gives a legal and regulated alternative. This takes away a great deal of fighting ability from Hamas because now a legal, paid, and more influential alternative exists so the less extreme Palestinians can join it instead. The army is also pacified int he fact that by attacking Israel is an act of war that gives Israel a reason to invade the region and take away what they have been given.
Palestine has lived without a state for a long time and it has proven to be absolutely useless in stopping any violence, it may actually be getting worse. Maybe it is time to try something else.
You are aware that Hamas is only able to succeed to the level that it is is because Hamas is the only group nearby that has actually been doing anything for Palestine.
Let's ignore the various aid agencies and the United Nations which has an entire body devoted to the Palestinians, but there are less radical groups that the Gazans could have supported...
Well there were, until Hamas purged its rivals after it took over.
If you think that Hamas has any benefit for the Palestinians, at all, I feel very sorry for you. Hamas, and the other terrorist organizations that actively call for Israel's destruction, and attacks Israel while using the Palestinian population as cannon fodder and human shields are what is holding the Palestinians back.
And Hamas is any different? I mean, sure most of those international bodies don't have a "Kill the Zionist Jews and Destroy Israel" clause in their charter, but still. More importantly, you really think Hamas would enter "genuine" negotiations with Israel? Is this just you being extremely naive on what Hamas is?
The PLO, and Fatah were more "moderate" (I use that term lightly) alternatives to Hamas, and yet, the Gazan population put their votes, and their support behind Hamas, and now they suffer for it. Why? Because Israel, justifiably so, will not be happy over a government run by a terrorist organization that actively calls for its destruction. Why should they be?
Sure, so they put their support behind a terrorist organization. That's going to make the violence end. Yeah.
To the larger issue though...at some point there will have to be a Palestinian state. With the wall around Gaza and the West Bank there already is a de facto one. The status quo can't be maintained forever.
You are aware that Hamas is only able to succeed to the level that it is is because Hamas is the only group nearby that has actually been doing anything for Palestine.
Let's ignore the various aid agencies and the United Nations which has an entire body devoted to the Palestinians, but there are less radical groups that the Gazans could have supported...
Well there were, until Hamas purged its rivals after it took over.
If you think that Hamas has any benefit for the Palestinians, at all, I feel very sorry for you. Hamas, and the other terrorist organizations that actively call for Israel's destruction, and attacks Israel while using the Palestinian population as cannon fodder and human shields are what is holding the Palestinians back.
How many of those groups are actually standing up for the Palestinians and not just bending over to everything that Israel demands? The Palestinians wanted a group that was willing to stand up for them without having to ask Israel if it was alright first. If you continue to push a group they will inevitably turn around and fight you and unless you are able to utterly destroy them or pacify them the situation will only ever get worse. Look at the colonization of the new world, England tried to push the natives aside and met constant conflict, the French lived with the natives and created a peaceful alternative, the natives actually the french to build forts nearby.
And Hamas is any different? I mean, sure most of those international bodies don't have a "Kill the Zionist Jews and Destroy Israel" clause in their charter, but still. More importantly, you really think Hamas would enter "genuine" negotiations with Israel? Is this just you being extremely naive on what Hamas is?
Hamas is actually willing to stand up for the Palestinians, I only defend that part of Hamas, not the terrorism. The UN is utterly useless because of the US vetoing anything they do not like related to the Palestinians, no solution will ever come until both have legitimate bodies to negotiate from. Israel is not some innocent child that is the victim of locals beating them up, Israel continues to freeze negotiations and refuses to allow the Palestinians to have any way to balance the negotiations.
The PLO, and Fatah were more "moderate" (I use that term lightly) alternatives to Hamas, and yet, the Gazan population put their votes, and their support behind Hamas, and now they suffer for it. Why? Because Israel, justifiably so, will not be happy over a government run by a terrorist organization that actively calls for its destruction. Why should they be?
Because the Hamas are actually doing something, they do not have a legitimate body to stand behind so the people support the one that defends them the most. It is not about what Israel wants in Palestine, people do not think "I will vote for X just to get at the Israelis", they think "I will vote for X because they have/will do more for me than the other guys". Hamas has managed to completely take over because Israel has allowed a situation where the issue is fighting back, not building schools or hospitals.
Sure, so they put their support behind a terrorist organization. That's going to make the violence end. Yeah.
They put their support behind the only people defending them.
Another example of how diplomacy works far better is Rome. They were able to build a non-rebellious society in Italy by making numerous promises upon peace and being very generous including giving out Roman citizenship. The people they treated like crap regularly rebelled and for a time they were beaten back until their own weakness and the increasing strength of the hostile elements overwhelmed them. Israel is rapidly heading down the same path.
The reason Hamas is popular is because it provides many of the services proper state body would provide like education, health care, orphanages, soup kitchens, et al. Yes, the cynic could rightly point out that those efforts are a necessity given their pro-terrorism agenda, but nevertheless, Hamas isn't all terrorism all the time.
To the larger issue though...at some point there will have to be a Palestinian state. With the wall around Gaza and the West Bank there already is a de facto one. The status quo can't be maintained forever.
I am talking about a legally recognized one by the UN that forces the Israelis to negotiate nation to nation with the Palestinians.
The reason Hamas is popular is because it provides many of the services proper state body would provide like education, health care, orphanages, soup kitchens, et al. Yes, the cynic could rightly point out that those efforts are a necessity given their pro-terrorism agenda, but nevertheless, Hamas isn't all terrorism all the time.
To the larger issue though...at some point there will have to be a Palestinian state. With the wall around Gaza and the West Bank there already is a de facto one. The status quo can't be maintained forever.
The drug cartels did the same damn thing in latin America. doesn't mean they are any less of a criminal scum bag...just like Hamas. Just remember that hamas imbeds themselves into these schools and hospitals and launches attacks on Israeli civilians froim them
The reason Hamas is popular is because it provides many of the services proper state body would provide like education, health care, orphanages, soup kitchens, et al. Yes, the cynic could rightly point out that those efforts are a necessity given their pro-terrorism agenda, but nevertheless, Hamas isn't all terrorism all the time.
To the larger issue though...at some point there will have to be a Palestinian state. With the wall around Gaza and the West Bank there already is a de facto one. The status quo can't be maintained forever.
The drug cartels did the same damn thing in latin America. doesn't mean they are any less of a criminal scum bag...just like Hamas. Just remember that hamas imbeds themselves into these schools and hospitals and launches attacks on Israeli civilians froim them
The core of the ability for Hamas to do this is the utter lack of a legal national system that is able to actually start to enforce control over the region. Continued with international assistance (training police/soldiers) a real solution could be created. Nothing is solved by continuing to fight, solutions only come when peace is finally gained and the people gain something real to lose.
Do you honestly think that hamas wants to end the conflict. It's their raison d'etre. The average Arab is sick of the fighting and like everyone else wants to raise their children in peace and make some money. Hamas won't allow that to happen because then their leaders lose their cash and villas.
Creating a legal state would take a swipe out of Hamas' support, it would create a legal ground for competition to work towards peace. Continuing to force the Palestinians to go without a legal government leaves Hamas as the only functioning option because the main issue is not building schools or houses, but getting a nation itself. The issue is further compounded by Israel refusing to go back to 1967 borders (something Hamas has stated would greatly decrease conflict) and the fact Palestine has nothing to lose by continuing to fight. If Hamas promised a war when there was a legitimate Palestinian state Palestinians would be far less willing to join a war if they finally had something to lose.
The reason Hamas is popular is because it provides many of the services proper state body would provide like education, health care, orphanages, soup kitchens, et al. Yes, the cynic could rightly point out that those efforts are a necessity given their pro-terrorism agenda, but nevertheless, Hamas isn't all terrorism all the time.
To the larger issue though...at some point there will have to be a Palestinian state. With the wall around Gaza and the West Bank there already is a de facto one. The status quo can't be maintained forever.
I am talking about a legally recognized one by the UN that forces the Israelis to negotiate nation to nation with the Palestinians.
Israel isnt the problem, in case you haven't noticed.
The rest of your ideas, I can't tell if you are blind or just ignorant..
probably both.
In any case, you are without doubt young, and as you grow up, you'll eventually learn.