Curtis James Haas, 50, has pleaded not guilty to manslaughter and drug trafficking. His preliminary hearing ended Thursday with a provincial court judge ruling there is sufficient evidence to proceed to a trial.
I'm of 2 minds on this one, while I do agree that someone should pay for an overdose death I can't help but thinking it's another case of wanting to blame someone else for a person's bad decisions.
Now if the trial finds that she was intoxicated or passed out and he administered drugs to her, or forced her into it then different story.
Are they going to prosecuted a liquor store next time somebody od's on booze?
Our laws are so weird. They've successfully prosecuted bars for over serving someone who drinks and drives, but why not go after a liquor store hat sells you enough booze to get totally shit faced for the same reason? Why is it only illegal if you sell it drink by drink, but not in a bottle?
Why would a bar be responsible anyway? It is their business to serve drinks, that's how they make their money. I am sure they do not deny cab drivers from picking up their clients, so why is it not the drinker's responsibility? Are they supposed to take away car keys after the first drink or something?
"Brenda" said Why would a bar be responsible anyway? It is their business to serve drinks, that's how they make their money. I am sure they do not deny cab drivers from picking up their clients, so why is it not the drinker's responsibility? Are they supposed to take away car keys after the first drink or something?
That's my point - why do they have a duty of care, but not a govt liquor store?
"andyt" said Why would a bar be responsible anyway? It is their business to serve drinks, that's how they make their money. I am sure they do not deny cab drivers from picking up their clients, so why is it not the drinker's responsibility? Are they supposed to take away car keys after the first drink or something?
That's my point - why do they have a duty of care, but not a govt liquor store? Well, a liquor store doesn't make it their business serving people drinks, they just sell the closed bottles.
"Brenda" said Why would a bar be responsible anyway? It is their business to serve drinks, that's how they make their money. I am sure they do not deny cab drivers from picking up their clients, so why is it not the drinker's responsibility? Are they supposed to take away car keys after the first drink or something?
That's my point - why do they have a duty of care, but not a govt liquor store? Well, a liquor store doesn't make it their business serving people drinks, they just sell the closed bottles.
I don't see the distinction. In fact the liquor store sells booze in mass quantities, ie with one sale there's enough booze to seriously impair or even kill the buyer. They have no way of knowing if the buyer won't chugalug that 26r as soon as he leaves the store and then gets in his car. Why is that OK, but selling one drink at a time somehow makes you responsible for the person?
Same with this morphine guy. He didn't sell her one pill at a time, he sold her the bunch, acted just like a liquor store.
"Lemmy" said And liquor store employees aren't allowed to sell to people they suspect have been drinking. Different standard of care altogether.
Most bars reseve the right to not serve those the suspect are too drunk as well, most of them ignore this, then theres clubs as well, someone goes to a big night club with 300 people in attendance and we as society expect them to monitor how everyone is leaving and if they are over the limit, BS. We are constantly moving away from the "personal responsability" we used to expect of people.
This guy didn't do anything diffrent than a liquor store. He supplied a quantity of drugs that could potentially kill her, and in fact did. Doctors/Pharmacies do the same thing, prescribe morphine in quantities that if taken all at once can kill the person.
She looks like a nice young lady, wonder what she was thinking taking morphine?
Yep, charge him with that (not that I agree with the law). But they're also charging him with manslaughter. My heart doesn't bleed for him, i just think the law is out of whack here.
"andyt" said This guy didn't do anything diffrent than a liquor store. He supplied a quantity of drugs that could potentially kill her, and in fact did. Doctors/Pharmacies do the same thing, prescribe morphine in quantities that if taken all at once can kill the person.
She looks like a nice young lady, wonder what she was thinking taking morphine?
Do they?
Other than the fact that you can overdose on anything, I thought they were required to stay under the lethal amount.
"Brenda" said This guy didn't do anything diffrent than a liquor store. He supplied a quantity of drugs that could potentially kill her, and in fact did. Doctors/Pharmacies do the same thing, prescribe morphine in quantities that if taken all at once can kill the person.
She looks like a nice young lady, wonder what she was thinking taking morphine?
Do they?
Other than the fact that you can overdose on anything, I thought they were required to stay under the lethal amount.
Ok, I don't really know. But I assumed that a prescription for how ever many days they give you, if taken all at once should be enough to kill. I mean, how many did this guy give her, anyway?
Now if the trial finds that she was intoxicated or passed out and he administered drugs to her, or forced her into it then different story.
Our laws are so weird. They've successfully prosecuted bars for over serving someone who drinks and drives, but why not go after a liquor store hat sells you enough booze to get totally shit faced for the same reason? Why is it only illegal if you sell it drink by drink, but not in a bottle?
Are they supposed to take away car keys after the first drink or something?
Why would a bar be responsible anyway? It is their business to serve drinks, that's how they make their money. I am sure they do not deny cab drivers from picking up their clients, so why is it not the drinker's responsibility?
Are they supposed to take away car keys after the first drink or something?
That's my point - why do they have a duty of care, but not a govt liquor store?
Why would a bar be responsible anyway? It is their business to serve drinks, that's how they make their money. I am sure they do not deny cab drivers from picking up their clients, so why is it not the drinker's responsibility?
Are they supposed to take away car keys after the first drink or something?
That's my point - why do they have a duty of care, but not a govt liquor store?
Well, a liquor store doesn't make it their business serving people drinks, they just sell the closed bottles.
Why would a bar be responsible anyway? It is their business to serve drinks, that's how they make their money. I am sure they do not deny cab drivers from picking up their clients, so why is it not the drinker's responsibility?
Are they supposed to take away car keys after the first drink or something?
That's my point - why do they have a duty of care, but not a govt liquor store?
Well, a liquor store doesn't make it their business serving people drinks, they just sell the closed bottles.
I don't see the distinction. In fact the liquor store sells booze in mass quantities, ie with one sale there's enough booze to seriously impair or even kill the buyer. They have no way of knowing if the buyer won't chugalug that 26r as soon as he leaves the store and then gets in his car. Why is that OK, but selling one drink at a time somehow makes you responsible for the person?
Same with this morphine guy. He didn't sell her one pill at a time, he sold her the bunch, acted just like a liquor store.
And liquor store employees aren't allowed to sell to people they suspect have been drinking. Different standard of care altogether.
Most bars reseve the right to not serve those the suspect are too drunk as well, most of them ignore this, then theres clubs as well, someone goes to a big night club with 300 people in attendance and we as society expect them to monitor how everyone is leaving and if they are over the limit, BS. We are constantly moving away from the "personal responsability" we used to expect of people.
She looks like a nice young lady, wonder what she was thinking taking morphine?
This guy didn't do anything diffrent than a liquor store.
Except that trafficking alcohol isn't a criminal offence and trafficking morphine is.
This guy didn't do anything diffrent than a liquor store. He supplied a quantity of drugs that could potentially kill her, and in fact did. Doctors/Pharmacies do the same thing, prescribe morphine in quantities that if taken all at once can kill the person.
She looks like a nice young lady, wonder what she was thinking taking morphine?
Do they?
Other than the fact that you can overdose on anything, I thought they were required to stay under the lethal amount.
This guy didn't do anything diffrent than a liquor store. He supplied a quantity of drugs that could potentially kill her, and in fact did. Doctors/Pharmacies do the same thing, prescribe morphine in quantities that if taken all at once can kill the person.
She looks like a nice young lady, wonder what she was thinking taking morphine?
Do they?
Other than the fact that you can overdose on anything, I thought they were required to stay under the lethal amount.
Ok, I don't really know. But I assumed that a prescription for how ever many days they give you, if taken all at once should be enough to kill. I mean, how many did this guy give her, anyway?