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PM's remarks rekindle debate on the death penal

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PM's remarks rekindle debate on the death penalty


Political | 206836 hits | Jan 20 12:23 pm | Posted by: Scape
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Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s musings on the death penalty have ignited a political debate in Ottawa even though he said he has no plans to act on the issue and legal scholars believe attempts to bring back capital punishment would likely be struck down

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  1. by avatar Scape
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:53 pm


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  2. by avatar andyt
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:00 pm
    Very clever, that Harper. He says he won't introduce legislation to bring it back, thus assuring bleeding hearts like me, but he's also feeding red meat to his base. Then, if he does get a majority, there will be an "outcry" to reinstate it. Next up, he supports private healthcare but won't introduce legislation to implement it.

  3. by avatar PublicAnimalNo9
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:04 pm
    Yep, cuz we all know that even the most deviant mass murderer can be rehabilitated :roll:

  4. by avatar DanSC
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:08 pm
    Don't bring back the death penalty guys. The endless appeals are more expensive than life without parole.

  5. by avatar andyt
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:10 pm
    "PublicAnimalNo9" said
    Yep, cuz we all know that even the most deviant mass murderer can be rehabilitated :roll:


    I don't know that. But even the most deviant mass muderer is a human being. Us killing him puts us on his level.

    So is your position that only the most deviant mass murderers would get the death penalty? What would be your criteria for executing someone? How many most deviant mass murderers do we have in Canada? Olsen, Bernardo, Pikton are the only ones that come to mind. Probably a handful of others. You really going to pass a law just to apply to them? What if a more deviant mass murderer comes along before you can kill the first one? Then he won't be the most deviant anymore and you can't kill him. So there.

  6. by avatar andyt
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:11 pm
    "DanSC" said
    Don't bring back the death penalty guys. The endless appeals are more expensive than life without parole.


    What about all the innocent ones you guys have fried? No concern there?

  7. by avatar DanSC
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:16 pm
    "andyt" said
    What about all the innocent ones you guys have fried? No concern there?


    That's also a very good reason to not have a death penalty, but I'm not sure it'll sway the CPC.

  8. by Anonymous
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:18 pm
    "PublicAnimalNo9" said
    Yep, cuz we all know that even the most deviant mass murderer can be rehabilitated :roll:


    And then there's David Milgaard who served 21 years for a crime he did not commit who would have been put to death years before the real killer could have been found.

  9. by avatar PublicAnimalNo9
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:21 pm
    "andyt" said
    Yep, cuz we all know that even the most deviant mass murderer can be rehabilitated :roll:


    I don't know that. But even the most deviant mass muderer is a human being. Us killing him puts us on his level.

    So is your position that only the most deviant mass murderers would get the death penalty? What would be your criteria for executing someone? How many most deviant mass murderers do we have in Canada? Olsen, Bernardo, Pikton are the only ones that come to mind. Probably a handful of others. You really going to pass a law just to apply to them? What if a more deviant mass murderer comes along before you can kill the first one? Then he won't be the most deviant anymore and you can't kill him. So there.
    Paul Bernardo is a human being? My your generous with that definition. And I'm not exactly sure how executing somoene that raped, tortured and murdered a child puts us on the same level as them.

  10. by avatar PublicAnimalNo9
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:24 pm
    "Curtman" said
    Yep, cuz we all know that even the most deviant mass murderer can be rehabilitated :roll:


    And then there's David Milgaard who served 21 years for a crime he did not commit who would have been put to death years before the real killer could have been found.
    David Milgaard was accused of being a mass murderer? Gee Curt, when did one person become a mass?

  11. by Choban
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:25 pm
    We've had this discussion before...

  12. by avatar andyt
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:27 pm
    "PublicAnimalNo9" said

    Paul Bernardo is a human being? My your generous with that definition. And I'm not exactly sure how executing somoene that raped, tortured and murdered a child puts us on the same level as them.


    It still makes us killers, not because we have to, but because we want to. He's safely out of harm's way, there's no need to kill him and thus brutalize our society.

    Again, what would be your criteria for execution. Only Bernardos? Is there much point in even opening this debate for the few Bernardos we produce?

  13. by avatar andyt
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:28 pm
    "Choban" said
    We've had this discussion before...


    Yeah, but this time it will be different.

  14. by avatar PublicAnimalNo9
    Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:41 pm
    "andyt" said

    Paul Bernardo is a human being? My your generous with that definition. And I'm not exactly sure how executing somoene that raped, tortured and murdered a child puts us on the same level as them.


    It still makes us killers, not because we have to, but because we want to. He's safely out of harm's way, there's no need to kill him and thus brutalize our society.

    Again, what would be your criteria for execution. Only Bernardos? Is there much point in even opening this debate for the few Bernardos we produce?
    If there are so "few" Bernardos out there, then what's to be squeamish about executing them.
    I'm not about to rehash what I've stated in a similar thread about how the death penalty should/could be handled.



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