"2Cdo" said I completely defeated them single handedly back in 2002 but I haven't been there in awhile. Maybe I need to go back and sort this out for good.
"Anybody who comes back into this country — a Taliban — is going to hit that wall," Creighton predicted. "They'll have minimum effect if they do try to come back in. The security is tight, that's for sure."
The wall's coming down by 2014, so could you please get there before then, 2Cdo? And go back in 2020, 2030.....
"andyt" said I completely defeated them single handedly back in 2002 but I haven't been there in awhile. Maybe I need to go back and sort this out for good.
"Anybody who comes back into this country — a Taliban — is going to hit that wall," Creighton predicted. "They'll have minimum effect if they do try to come back in. The security is tight, that's for sure."
The wall's coming down by 2014, so could you please get there before then, 2Cdo? And go back in 2020, 2030.....
Andy I would go back in a minute but my wife will not tolerate me going back since I retired!
That's OK, I doubt if even you could do it just by yourself. And at some point NATO won't be there to back you up, so it'd just be you and the Astanis. How do you like those odds?
"andyt" said That's OK, I doubt if even you could do it just by yourself. And at some point NATO won't be there to back you up, so it'd just be you and the Astanis. How do you like those odds?
Compared to some of our allies I'd prefer to be by myself!
Half my old Squadron are out there as retired 'civvies' in and around Khandahar. I'm sure you could pop out for a month 2Cdo.......tell yer missus you are wandering the globe to find yourself....!
"EyeBrock" said Half my old Squadron are out there as retired 'civvies' in and around Khandahar. I'm sure you could pop out for a month 2Cdo.......tell yer missus you are wandering the globe to find yourself....!
Thought about it when I first retired in 07, but she's no dummy and quickly shut me down!
Canada enlists in America’s permanent war for peace
Bob Woodward quotes General David Petraeus, the senior U.S. commander in Afghanistan: “I don’t think you win this war. I think you keep fighting. … This is the kind of fight we’re in for the rest of our lives, and probably our kids’ lives.”
Canada enlists in America’s permanent war for peace
Bob Woodward quotes General David Petraeus, the senior U.S. commander in Afghanistan: “I don’t think you win this war. I think you keep fighting. … This is the kind of fight we’re in for the rest of our lives, and probably our kids’ lives.”
No different than crime really. Do we ever stop policing?
Canada enlists in America’s permanent war for peace
Bob Woodward quotes General David Petraeus, the senior U.S. commander in Afghanistan: “I don’t think you win this war. I think you keep fighting. … This is the kind of fight we’re in for the rest of our lives, and probably our kids’ lives.”
No different than crime really. Do we ever stop policing?
We do that ourselves though, and hopefully Afghanistan will too some day sooner than that.
We do that ourselves though, and hopefully Afghanistan will too some day sooner than that.
I hope they do too, but I think what Petraeus meant was that this kind of thing never really ends. Afghanistan may finally take care of itself but then there is always the next one. And while we fight and win the next one, Afghanistan could be right back to where it was. It's the nature of the beast. It irks me when people use terms like "no end in sight" to try and cast our efforts as a futile light, because the same term could be applied to crime,disease, and any other of humanity's chronic problems.
"Damn, we still haven't cured cancer yet, there's no end in sight. Look at all the money wasted. All that money could have gone to something with more definate results, just pull the police out and be done with it."
As much as many people point out the many failures throughout history of foreign influence in that region, cultures can be changed, and saying it is impossible to change these people,is like saying the problem is genetic. I said it when we first sent troops there, this kind of thing takes generations, and anyone who thought a couple of years would change the ways of an entire people was sorely mistaken.
I completely defeated them single handedly back in 2002 but I haven't been there in awhile. Maybe I need to go back and sort this out for good.
"Anybody who comes back into this country — a Taliban — is going to hit that wall," Creighton predicted. "They'll have minimum effect if they do try to come back in. The security is tight, that's for sure."
The wall's coming down by 2014, so could you please get there before then, 2Cdo? And go back in 2020, 2030.....
I completely defeated them single handedly back in 2002 but I haven't been there in awhile. Maybe I need to go back and sort this out for good.
"Anybody who comes back into this country — a Taliban — is going to hit that wall," Creighton predicted. "They'll have minimum effect if they do try to come back in. The security is tight, that's for sure."
The wall's coming down by 2014, so could you please get there before then, 2Cdo? And go back in 2020, 2030.....
Andy I would go back in a minute but my wife will not tolerate me going back since I retired!
That's OK, I doubt if even you could do it just by yourself. And at some point NATO won't be there to back you up, so it'd just be you and the Astanis. How do you like those odds?
Compared to some of our allies I'd prefer to be by myself!
Half my old Squadron are out there as retired 'civvies' in and around Khandahar. I'm sure you could pop out for a month 2Cdo.......tell yer missus you are wandering the globe to find yourself....!
Thought about it when I first retired in 07, but she's no dummy and quickly shut me down!
Canada enlists in America’s permanent war for peace
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Canada enlists in America’s permanent war for peace
No different than crime really. Do we ever stop policing?
In other news today...
Canada enlists in America’s permanent war for peace
No different than crime really. Do we ever stop policing?
We do that ourselves though, and hopefully Afghanistan will too some day sooner than that.
We do that ourselves though, and hopefully Afghanistan will too some day sooner than that.
I hope they do too, but I think what Petraeus meant was that this kind of thing never really ends. Afghanistan may finally take care of itself but then there is always the next one. And while we fight and win the next one, Afghanistan could be right back to where it was. It's the nature of the beast.
It irks me when people use terms like "no end in sight" to try and cast our efforts as a futile light, because the same term could be applied to crime,disease, and any other of humanity's chronic problems.
"Damn, we still haven't cured cancer yet, there's no end in sight. Look at all the money wasted. All that money could have gone to something with more definate results, just pull the police out and be done with it."
As much as many people point out the many failures throughout history of foreign influence in that region, cultures can be changed, and saying it is impossible to change these people,is like saying the problem is genetic.
I said it when we first sent troops there, this kind of thing takes generations, and anyone who thought a couple of years would change the ways of an entire people was sorely mistaken.