A proposed conservative television network that has touched off online protests and a war of words between Ottawa and a Canadian literary luminary is now starting to make a splash south of the border.
Chances are, Hurley, the market will want Sun TV and that's why there's such a fight against it. The libs down here argued against FOX and it gets bigger ratings anymore than all of the other US networks combined. If Sun gets a chance to compete in the Canadian market I'm fathoming that people like Atwood expect it to trounce CBC & CTV.
I don't like the idea of Harper getting together with a couple of creeps like Ailes and Murdoch. Especially Ailes, who more or less gave Glenn Beck carte blanche to behave like such a lunatic conspiracist shitbag on FUX as much as he wants. I really don't care all that much if a so-called 'right wing' Canadian broadcast comes into existence. The more voices the merrier, and anything that scares the crap out of the CBC almost deserves support by default. What I am concerned about is seeing the PM associate himself, and by extension the Conservative Party, with any of those hard-right assholes from south of the border. I want a very wide and safe buffer zone kept intact between Canadian Tories and the American tea party populists, Wall Street anarcho-capitalists, and conspiracist radicals that FUX has unfortunately given a non-stop propaganda platform to. Most Canadian conservatives have very little in common with their (alleged) cousins from the US, and I want it to remain that way.
I'll be keeping my eye on this issue very closely. If it starts to stink I'll probably end up becoming a non-voter altogether. I'll die before I ever vote Liberal or Dipper, but I'll never vote Tory ever again if they become part and parcel of that sickening and dangerous 'conservative' gong show going on south of the border.
"BartSimpson" said Chances are, Hurley, the market will want Sun TV and that's why there's such a fight against it. The libs down here argued against FOX and it gets bigger ratings anymore than all of the other US networks combined. If Sun gets a chance to compete in the Canadian market I'm fathoming that people like Atwood expect it to trounce CBC & CTV.
I doubt it. If it's anywhere near as "successful" as other Quebecor entities (the Sun newspaper chain for example), it'll be a distant second or third choice. Many Edmontonians consider the Edmonton Sun a bit of a joke and it has readership somewhere between half to two thirds of the other daily (Edmonton Journal) here.
"The revised proposal from Sun would still allow them to jump the step that everyone else has had to take, which is to persuade the cable companies and satellite companies to list them," Waddell said.
"That's different than what's happened to other specialty channels that have come along, and I'm not sure why the CRTC would think it should be giving that benefit to Sun when it hasn't given it to other people."
Frankly, I don't care one way or another, but I agree that the market should decide. If enough people want to watch, they'll vote with their wallets, like most other TV stations.
"BartSimpson" said Chances are, Hurley, the market will want Sun TV and that's why there's such a fight against it. The libs down here argued against FOX and it gets bigger ratings anymore than all of the other US networks combined. If Sun gets a chance to compete in the Canadian market I'm fathoming that people like Atwood expect it to trounce CBC & CTV.
Then why are they arguing so hard for special treatment from the CRTC? If there's a market, they'll be able to go though the normal process for getting established. Why the push to go from nothing to mandatory access right away?
"hurley_108" said So much for free speech, eh Margaret Atwood?
Forget Margaret Atwood. SUN TV is trying to get itself onto my TV whether I want it or not. Let the market decide. They are just trying to get the treatment that any channel would kill for, guaranteed subscriptions(just like the CBC). The bigger issue is so called enlightened people want to stifle free speech without this channel having even broadcast one minute.
"RUEZ" said So much for free speech, eh Margaret Atwood?
Forget Margaret Atwood. SUN TV is trying to get itself onto my TV whether I want it or not. Let the market decide. They are just trying to get the treatment that any channel would kill for, guaranteed subscriptions. The bigger issue is so called enlightened people want to stifle free speech without this channel having even broadcast one minute.
Uh huh. Let my cable company offer it for $2.95 per month just like Al Jazeera. I'd be fine with that. But not SUN TV. They want it up there in the tiered packages right away.
Uh huh. Let my cable company offer it for $2.95 per month just like Al Jazeera. I'd be fine with that. But not SUN TV. They want it up there in the tiered packages right away.
I guess they just want the same treatment as the CBC.
Uh huh. Let my cable company offer it for $2.95 per month just like Al Jazeera. I'd be fine with that. But not SUN TV. They want it up there in the tiered packages right away.
I guess they just want the same treatment as the CBC.
Please, this is like a new car company complaining that the Big Three and the major Japanese car makers have an unfair advantage over them and then expecting the government to change the rules for them (and ONLY THEM).
If Sun TV can't attract viewers and survive on its own like History or Space (or any other specialty channel), that's Sun TV's problem, not the government's.
Uh huh. Let my cable company offer it for $2.95 per month just like Al Jazeera. I'd be fine with that. But not SUN TV. They want it up there in the tiered packages right away.
I guess they just want the same treatment as the CBC.
Please, this is like a new car company complaining that the Big Three and the major Japanese car makers have an unfair advantage over them and then expecting the government to change the rules for them (and ONLY THEM).
If Sun TV can't attract viewers and survive on its own like History or Space (or any other specialty channel), that's Sun TV's problem, not the government's. Oh please, they are just trying to get any advantage they can. You can't blame a media company for doing that. It didn't work and they were denied.
"Thanos" said I don't like the idea of Harper getting together with a couple of creeps like Ailes and Murdoch. Especially Ailes, who more or less gave Glenn Beck carte blanche to behave like such a lunatic conspiracist shitbag on FUX as much as he wants. I really don't care all that much if a so-called 'right wing' Canadian broadcast comes into existence. The more voices the merrier, and anything that scares the crap out of the CBC almost deserves support by default. What I am concerned about is seeing the PM associate himself, and by extension the Conservative Party, with any of those hard-right assholes from south of the border. I want a very wide and safe buffer zone kept intact between Canadian Tories and the American tea party populists, Wall Street anarcho-capitalists, and conspiracist radicals that FUX has unfortunately given a non-stop propaganda platform to. Most Canadian conservatives have very little in common with their (alleged) cousins from the US, and I want it to remain that way.
I'll be keeping my eye on this issue very closely. If it starts to stink I'll probably end up becoming a non-voter altogether. I'll die before I ever vote Liberal or Dipper, but I'll never vote Tory ever again if they become part and parcel of that sickening and dangerous 'conservative' gong show going on south of the border.
I wish you'd get your own radio talk show. Really, for all your complaining about FOX News and Beck and etc. you sound just like them, but with a different POV is all. That said, you'd probably be a success at it. And I do mean this quite seriously. Air America failed because, frankly, that network was an immense bore. Mayhaps you could make a go of it and become one of those rich bastards you so detest.
At the very least you should start a blog, if you haven't already.
Oh please, they are just trying to get any advantage they can. You can't blame a media company for doing that. It didn't work and they were denied.
The problem here isn't that they wanted an advantage (what business doesn't), it's that it appeared that they tried to get the ruling overturned by appealing to the government (which, surprise, surprise is of the same ideological bent as themselves).
They started this business by meeting with Harper about it. If they had just applied for this exemption and failed, no one would have cared. But given their actions, sure I can (and will) blame them.
They started this business by meeting with Harper about it. If they had just applied for this exemption and failed, no one would have cared. But given their actions, sure I can (and will) blame them.
They did apply and fail. Can you show me the info that says Harper has overturned this process. I'm not even sure why we're arguing about whether they are mandatory or not. I don't care. My concern is the people that would have this station shut down, period. What are they afraid of?
So much for free speech, eh Margaret Atwood?
Forget Margaret Atwood. SUN TV is trying to get itself onto my TV whether I want it or not. Let the market decide.
I'll be keeping my eye on this issue very closely. If it starts to stink I'll probably end up becoming a non-voter altogether. I'll die before I ever vote Liberal or Dipper, but I'll never vote Tory ever again if they become part and parcel of that sickening and dangerous 'conservative' gong show going on south of the border.
Chances are, Hurley, the market will want Sun TV and that's why there's such a fight against it. The libs down here argued against FOX and it gets bigger ratings anymore than all of the other US networks combined. If Sun gets a chance to compete in the Canadian market I'm fathoming that people like Atwood expect it to trounce CBC & CTV.
I doubt it. If it's anywhere near as "successful" as other Quebecor entities (the Sun newspaper chain for example), it'll be a distant second or third choice. Many Edmontonians consider the Edmonton Sun a bit of a joke and it has readership somewhere between half to two thirds of the other daily (Edmonton Journal) here.
"That's different than what's happened to other specialty channels that have come along, and I'm not sure why the CRTC would think it should be giving that benefit to Sun when it hasn't given it to other people."
Frankly, I don't care one way or another, but I agree that the market should decide. If enough people want to watch, they'll vote with their wallets, like most other TV stations.
Chances are, Hurley, the market will want Sun TV and that's why there's such a fight against it. The libs down here argued against FOX and it gets bigger ratings anymore than all of the other US networks combined. If Sun gets a chance to compete in the Canadian market I'm fathoming that people like Atwood expect it to trounce CBC & CTV.
Then why are they arguing so hard for special treatment from the CRTC? If there's a market, they'll be able to go though the normal process for getting established. Why the push to go from nothing to mandatory access right away?
So much for free speech, eh Margaret Atwood?
Forget Margaret Atwood. SUN TV is trying to get itself onto my TV whether I want it or not. Let the market decide.
They are just trying to get the treatment that any channel would kill for, guaranteed subscriptions(just like the CBC). The bigger issue is so called enlightened people want to stifle free speech without this channel having even broadcast one minute.
So much for free speech, eh Margaret Atwood?
Forget Margaret Atwood. SUN TV is trying to get itself onto my TV whether I want it or not. Let the market decide.
They are just trying to get the treatment that any channel would kill for, guaranteed subscriptions. The bigger issue is so called enlightened people want to stifle free speech without this channel having even broadcast one minute.
Uh huh. Let my cable company offer it for $2.95 per month just like Al Jazeera. I'd be fine with that. But not SUN TV. They want it up there in the tiered packages right away.
Uh huh. Let my cable company offer it for $2.95 per month just like Al Jazeera. I'd be fine with that. But not SUN TV. They want it up there in the tiered packages right away.
I guess they just want the same treatment as the CBC.
Uh huh. Let my cable company offer it for $2.95 per month just like Al Jazeera. I'd be fine with that. But not SUN TV. They want it up there in the tiered packages right away.
I guess they just want the same treatment as the CBC.
Please, this is like a new car company complaining that the Big Three and the major Japanese car makers have an unfair advantage over them and then expecting the government to change the rules for them (and ONLY THEM).
If Sun TV can't attract viewers and survive on its own like History or Space (or any other specialty channel), that's Sun TV's problem, not the government's.
Uh huh. Let my cable company offer it for $2.95 per month just like Al Jazeera. I'd be fine with that. But not SUN TV. They want it up there in the tiered packages right away.
I guess they just want the same treatment as the CBC.
Please, this is like a new car company complaining that the Big Three and the major Japanese car makers have an unfair advantage over them and then expecting the government to change the rules for them (and ONLY THEM).
If Sun TV can't attract viewers and survive on its own like History or Space (or any other specialty channel), that's Sun TV's problem, not the government's.
I don't like the idea of Harper getting together with a couple of creeps like Ailes and Murdoch. Especially Ailes, who more or less gave Glenn Beck carte blanche to behave like such a lunatic conspiracist shitbag on FUX as much as he wants. I really don't care all that much if a so-called 'right wing' Canadian broadcast comes into existence. The more voices the merrier, and anything that scares the crap out of the CBC almost deserves support by default. What I am concerned about is seeing the PM associate himself, and by extension the Conservative Party, with any of those hard-right assholes from south of the border. I want a very wide and safe buffer zone kept intact between Canadian Tories and the American tea party populists, Wall Street anarcho-capitalists, and conspiracist radicals that FUX has unfortunately given a non-stop propaganda platform to. Most Canadian conservatives have very little in common with their (alleged) cousins from the US, and I want it to remain that way.
I'll be keeping my eye on this issue very closely. If it starts to stink I'll probably end up becoming a non-voter altogether. I'll die before I ever vote Liberal or Dipper, but I'll never vote Tory ever again if they become part and parcel of that sickening and dangerous 'conservative' gong show going on south of the border.
I wish you'd get your own radio talk show. Really, for all your complaining about FOX News and Beck and etc. you sound just like them, but with a different POV is all. That said, you'd probably be a success at it. And I do mean this quite seriously. Air America failed because, frankly, that network was an immense bore. Mayhaps you could make a go of it and become one of those rich bastards you so detest.
At the very least you should start a blog, if you haven't already.
The problem here isn't that they wanted an advantage (what business doesn't), it's that it appeared that they tried to get the ruling overturned by appealing to the government (which, surprise, surprise is of the same ideological bent as themselves).
They started this business by meeting with Harper about it. If they had just applied for this exemption and failed, no one would have cared. But given their actions, sure I can (and will) blame them.
They started this business by meeting with Harper about it. If they had just applied for this exemption and failed, no one would have cared. But given their actions, sure I can (and will) blame them.
They did apply and fail. Can you show me the info that says Harper has overturned this process. I'm not even sure why we're arguing about whether they are mandatory or not. I don't care. My concern is the people that would have this station shut down, period. What are they afraid of?