As hundreds of illegal Tamil immigrants stepped ashore for the first time in three months and requested asylum, many Canadians were asking: Why didn't the government simply turn the boat back?
Migration experts say sending the ship away would have violated international law, and that's why Ottawa now appears to be seeking other channels to prevent further ships setting their sights here.
Maybe Ottawa should talk to Australia and see how they got away with "breaking the law" How much you wanna bet dick all is done to Australia over their refusal to accept them.
"Let's say if they didn't have enough fuel, or if there was not enough food or water on board," he said. "At some point there is a moral or ethical responsibility to say we can't simply send them away."
Give em what supplies they need and send em on their way. Pretty simple really.
You'd be on pretty shaky legal ground on what you could actually charge them with and whose jurisdiction it would actually fall under" if the arrests happened at sea.
Seems Israel got away with pretty much the same thing.
Queen's University law professor Sharryn Aiken wants Canada to increase its acceptance of refugees from Sri Lanka through its embassy there.
Hey sure, let's just rip the doors off this country completely and send out a message to all the flotsam and jetsam in the world that we'll look after them, even at the expense of our veterans and other Canadian citizens. Is Ms. Aiken gonna sponsor them all? I fucking well hope so cuz there's no way the taxpayer should be on the hook.
"The problem, of course, is political for Canada. We don't like to say to our 'allies' that we're accepting refugees from your country, in your country."
Just a polite way to say our leaders are a bunch of spineless twits.
Australia is Paying Indonesia to Intercept asylum ships. Who are we gonna Pay to do the same? We could always disown Vancouver Island and Pay them I suppose.
"sandorski" said Australia is Paying Indonesia to Intercept asylum ships. Who are we gonna Pay to do the same? We could always disown Vancouver Island and Pay them I suppose.
I keep saying - Haida Gwaii. And we already pay them, maybe this way they could earn it.
I still like Shep's idea. When the Northwest passage is open, send em to the arctic. There's NO stipulation about WHERE in Canada we have to land them once they hit Canadian waters.
Pull that wool, Mr. Toews. Leave out the part it's perfectly legal to turn them back before they enter Canadian waters. Of which YOU had months of foreknowledge. Maybe you should send the Navy to arrest the Australian gov't. Better yet, save all that fuel. Send the Navy to Washington and arrest the ex-Presidents who turned back Cubans and Haitians! You can try to claim environmental brownie points!
"Let's say if they didn't have enough fuel, or if there was not enough food or water on board," he said. "At some point there is a moral or ethical responsibility to say we can't simply send them away."
- When spending $50 K per person to process them alone, never mind the settlement costs, I think we can afford some water and fuel.
Canada is obliged to not return people to their home country if they face persecution there under an agreement signed in the ..blah blah blah some unenforceable UN agreement
If we can’t prove who they are and they have no docs they can’t prove they will be persecuted nor can we confirm their stories so back they go.
Far more asylum seekers actually arrive in Canada by plane and land-crossing each year to claim refugee status than by perilous sea journey, but they don't usually turn up on the public radar, Watson said.
So what? What kind of argument is this? “More people get in another way so we should allow these people? A pretty lame argument!
some people bluntly suggesting the migrants aren't wanted here.
Just some eh? This is the type of professor I’d have to take a bunch of gravol before doing his assignments in order to BS to the way he thinks in order to get a good grade.
Public Safety Minister Vic Toews has repeatedly said those among the group found guilty of criminal acts will be prosecuted.
How would you know? They won’t be using their real names but you know what? They did break the law when they entered the country illegally so now they are criminals, so off with them back home, sorry, it’s the law. I’m not anti immigrant I’m anti skipping the queue of honest and patient immigrants.
Canadian authorities say they knew for more than two months the ship was coming. Still, Canada didn't have the legal authority to board the MV Sun Sea in international waters to arrest suspected terrorists.
Why not? Israel can.
Ugh, pretty much every comment and argument in that article is worthless and invalid so I'm not bothering to continue.
Public Safety Minister Vic Toews has repeatedly said those among the group found guilty of criminal acts will be prosecuted.
How would you know? They won’t be using their real names but you know what? They did break the law when they entered the country illegally so now they are criminals, so off with them back home, sorry, it’s the law. I’m not anti immigrant I’m anti skipping the queue of honest and patient immigrants.
We're going to prosecute them for criminal acts they did in Sri Lanka. Shouldn't we just be extraditing them? As for prosecuting them for criminal acts committed here, well I'm reassured he's not giving them an exemption on that - how tough of him. But how effective has the govt been in preventing extortion to get money out of local Tamils to fund the Tigers?
I am anti-immigration, because our immigration policy is retarded. We bring in the same number of people no matter what the local job market, we don't select immigrants for jobs that really need them, and we won't train Canadians to do those jobs, just import them from a 3rd world country and let that country pay for training. And we bring in so many people that can't speak the language, grannies and grandpas - what use are they? etc..
Basic first aid assistance only followed by a rapid deportation back to Sri Lanka. With the entire goddamn bill being submitted directly to the Sri Lankan government. Anything less and the Tory's will have failed as badly on this issue as the Liberals most certainly have done if they were the ones currently in power. If a left-wing Australian government can do this then there's no reason why a center-right Canadian government can't, or shouldn't.
Simple first find out if the ship is run by the tigers, if it is that means everyone of those people is guilty of supporting a terrorist organization. Problem solved
"herbie" said Pull that wool, Mr. Toews. Leave out the part it's perfectly legal to turn them back before they enter Canadian waters. Of which YOU had months of foreknowledge. Maybe you should send the Navy to arrest the Australian gov't. Better yet, save all that fuel. Send the Navy to Washington and arrest the ex-Presidents who turned back Cubans and Haitians! You can try to claim environmental brownie points!
Give me a break. You are trying to make this a partisan issue now? You know damn well if the Conservatives turned this boat around they would be labeled everything from murderers to racists. The fact of the matter is more refugee claimants arrive in Canada by plane than arrive by boat. Why aren't you complaining about that?
"PublicAnimalNo9" said I still like Shep's idea. When the Northwest passage is open, send em to the arctic. There's NO stipulation about WHERE in Canada we have to land them once they hit Canadian waters.
That looks like our only option in this type of case.
These people didn't want to spend time in an Aussie detention centre and that's why they came to Canada instead. We need to find somewhere unpleasant and unattractive, instead of landing them in Victoria. Haida Gwaii is nice in theory, but I'd prefer the Arctic myself, as it not only provides a Canadian presence up north, but would also likely drastically limit how many refugees from hot, humid countries would be willing to try claiming refugee status in Canada.
The Aussies have refused these terrorist supported groups, so should we.
How much you wanna bet dick all is done to Australia over their refusal to accept them.
Australia is Paying Indonesia to Intercept asylum ships. Who are we gonna Pay to do the same? We could always disown Vancouver Island and Pay them I suppose.
I keep saying - Haida Gwaii. And we already pay them, maybe this way they could earn it.
Maybe you should send the Navy to arrest the Australian gov't.
Better yet, save all that fuel. Send the Navy to Washington and arrest the ex-Presidents who turned back Cubans and Haitians! You can try to claim environmental brownie points!
- When spending $50 K per person to process them alone, never mind the settlement costs, I think we can afford some water and fuel.
If we can’t prove who they are and they have no docs they can’t prove they will be persecuted nor can we confirm their stories so back they go.
So what? What kind of argument is this? “More people get in another way so we should allow these people? A pretty lame argument!
Just some eh? This is the type of professor I’d have to take a bunch of gravol before doing his assignments in order to BS to the way he thinks in order to get a good grade.
How would you know? They won’t be using their real names but you know what? They did break the law when they entered the country illegally so now they are criminals, so off with them back home, sorry, it’s the law. I’m not anti immigrant I’m anti skipping the queue of honest and patient immigrants.
Why not? Israel can.
Ugh, pretty much every comment and argument in that article is worthless and invalid so I'm not bothering to continue.
How would you know? They won’t be using their real names but you know what? They did break the law when they entered the country illegally so now they are criminals, so off with them back home, sorry, it’s the law. I’m not anti immigrant I’m anti skipping the queue of honest and patient immigrants.
We're going to prosecute them for criminal acts they did in Sri Lanka. Shouldn't we just be extraditing them? As for prosecuting them for criminal acts committed here, well I'm reassured he's not giving them an exemption on that - how tough of him. But how effective has the govt been in preventing extortion to get money out of local Tamils to fund the Tigers?
I am anti-immigration, because our immigration policy is retarded. We bring in the same number of people no matter what the local job market, we don't select immigrants for jobs that really need them, and we won't train Canadians to do those jobs, just import them from a 3rd world country and let that country pay for training. And we bring in so many people that can't speak the language, grannies and grandpas - what use are they? etc..
Pull that wool, Mr. Toews. Leave out the part it's perfectly legal to turn them back before they enter Canadian waters. Of which YOU had months of foreknowledge.
Maybe you should send the Navy to arrest the Australian gov't.
Better yet, save all that fuel. Send the Navy to Washington and arrest the ex-Presidents who turned back Cubans and Haitians! You can try to claim environmental brownie points!
Give me a break. You are trying to make this a partisan issue now? You know damn well if the Conservatives turned this boat around they would be labeled everything from murderers to racists. The fact of the matter is more refugee claimants arrive in Canada by plane than arrive by boat. Why aren't you complaining about that?
I still like Shep's idea. When the Northwest passage is open, send em to the arctic. There's NO stipulation about WHERE in Canada we have to land them once they hit Canadian waters.
That looks like our only option in this type of case.
These people didn't want to spend time in an Aussie detention centre and that's why they came to Canada instead. We need to find somewhere unpleasant and unattractive, instead of landing them in Victoria. Haida Gwaii is nice in theory, but I'd prefer the Arctic myself, as it not only provides a Canadian presence up north, but would also likely drastically limit how many refugees from hot, humid countries would be willing to try claiming refugee status in Canada.