Personally I don't see immigration at this level as a good thing. Our unemployment is to high, which means we have plenty of people to fill in all the low end jobs (which many immigrants end up filling). Immigration needs to change so that you must first enter Canada under a work visa, if you were able to stay working, had no problems with any law officials and were basically able to show that you have benefited Canada while staying here. THEN you can apply for landed immigrant status.
Aging population is a big problem but I would take an aging population over civil violence which is coming to Canada.
"KorbenDeck" said Personally I don't see immigration at this level as a good thing. Our unemployment is to high, which means we have plenty of people to fill in all the low end jobs (which many immigrants end up filling). Immigration needs to change so that you must first enter Canada under a work visa, if you were able to stay working, had no problems with any law officials and were basically able to show that you have benefited Canada while staying here. THEN you can apply for landed immigrant status.
Aging population is a big problem but I would take an aging population over civil violence which is coming to Canada.
I agree with this. And employers need to make sure they first look for employees within Canada. We've always relied on importing people instead of training them ourselves. That needs to stop.
To overcome the aging population, we would need to triple our current immigration numbers to 750,000/year. And make sure none of them are older - ie family class. Do you really think we can absorb that many immigrants successfully? Where are the jobs for them? Where will they live, the immigrant receiving cities are already dealing with overcrowding.
Regardless of which side of the argument you stand on, this basis for pro-immigration is utter nonsense:
It's good for Canada because we are a sparsely populated country covering a large geography, and our sparse population is aging. We need people
The problem is, despite the vast amount of land we have, you really don't find too many immigrants moving to the NWT or Yukon or the northern parts of the provinces. They mostly settle in cities that are already straining under population overloads. Telling people where they can live is unconstitutional I know, but adding another 1,000,000 to the city of Toronto(for example) over the next 5 years isn't really going to benefit anyone.
"Unsound" said Maybe make living in a smaller town for 5 years a condition of immigrating?
Actually not a bad idea. Spread them around a bit so that BOTH us and them have a chance to integrate with each other instead of continuing to increase the size of enclaves within certain cities. And maybe make the Big 3 off limits altogether.
I've noticed so much attention given to this story over the past week. It's almost as if its to rile the masses..."the coloreds are coming, quickly, hide your money and women".
The immigration levels are fine, cities like Toronto, Vancouver and Calgary are booming like never before, ghetto is not what I'm finding. Pretty skyscrapers and rows of middle class homes is what I see here.
Detroit; Toronto will not be like. These immigrants on paper are creme de la creme of their own societies. How many minorities in Detroit and Washington DC go to university? Well here in Toronto you can walk to Ryerson, UofT, or York U's campuses and you'll find more browns blacks and yellows that whites and pinks. Rapid upward mobility is the name of the game for these people.
Canada must make sure that immigration fraud is cut down so we continue to receive highly education upwardly mobile classes and not the grimy ones that lied their way here.
Skin colour be damned, it doesn't matter, that's what CBC has been preaching all this time.
"Unsound" said Maybe make living in a smaller town for 5 years a condition of immigrating?
Can't be done legally. Even if they have a job in a small town, there's no legal way to keep them there if they want to move. Nor do we want to institute internal control of movement, like some communist country.
But mostly, the small towns just don't have the jobs or housing for this onslaught of people we would need. Neither do the big cities tho.
And white Canadians? Far, far behind. Only 26 per cent have university degrees. In fact, the demographic least likely to have a university degree or diploma is, ahem, white Canadian males.
The writer seems to make the assumption that university degrees is what Canada needs to have valuable citizens. Perhaps the writer forgets that our houses, our schools our roads, our hospitals, our powerlines are all built and maintained by trades people, who do not go to university. Having a degree does not mean you are going to be making lots of money, the amount of people going to my university getting absolutely useless degrees scares me.
If Canada does get a labour shortage we should simply enter a labour agreement with the USA, something which with minimal paper work would allow both Canada and the USA to share its citizens in the work force. The USA has a very large amount of unused workers that Canada could snap up to fill any void. Right now there are over 12 million Americans who are unemployed, many of them highly trained in almost every field. Anything Canada needs we can go shopping for in the good old USA
"andyt" said Maybe make living in a smaller town for 5 years a condition of immigrating?
Can't be done legally. Even if they have a job in a small town, there's no legal way to keep them there if they want to move. Nor do we want to institute internal control of movement, like some communist country.
But mostly, the small towns just don't have the jobs or housing for this onslaught of people we would need. Neither do the big cities tho.
Depends what kind of people they are. THere are thousands of small towns and cities across Canada that would be deleriously happy to get some of those doctors who are driving cabs in Toronto at the moment.
"Unsound" said Maybe make living in a smaller town for 5 years a condition of immigrating?
Can't be done legally. Even if they have a job in a small town, there's no legal way to keep them there if they want to move. Nor do we want to institute internal control of movement, like some communist country.
But mostly, the small towns just don't have the jobs or housing for this onslaught of people we would need. Neither do the big cities tho.
Depends what kind of people they are. THere are thousands of small towns and cities across Canada that would be deleriously happy to get some of those doctors who are driving cabs in Toronto at the moment.
And those doctors would love to practice medicine, even in Moose Tit, Manitoba, but unfortunately for them the CMA won't accept their credentials. Plus most immigrants aren't doctors.
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is that we will more restaurants to choose from..
brilliant.
Aging population is a big problem but I would take an aging population over civil violence which is coming to Canada.
-J.
Personally I don't see immigration at this level as a good thing. Our unemployment is to high, which means we have plenty of people to fill in all the low end jobs (which many immigrants end up filling). Immigration needs to change so that you must first enter Canada under a work visa, if you were able to stay working, had no problems with any law officials and were basically able to show that you have benefited Canada while staying here. THEN you can apply for landed immigrant status.
Aging population is a big problem but I would take an aging population over civil violence which is coming to Canada.
I agree with this. And employers need to make sure they first look for employees within Canada. We've always relied on importing people instead of training them ourselves. That needs to stop.
To overcome the aging population, we would need to triple our current immigration numbers to 750,000/year. And make sure none of them are older - ie family class. Do you really think we can absorb that many immigrants successfully? Where are the jobs for them? Where will they live, the immigrant receiving cities are already dealing with overcrowding.
The problem is, despite the vast amount of land we have, you really don't find too many immigrants moving to the NWT or Yukon or the northern parts of the provinces.
They mostly settle in cities that are already straining under population overloads.
Telling people where they can live is unconstitutional I know, but adding another 1,000,000 to the city of Toronto(for example) over the next 5 years isn't really going to benefit anyone.
Maybe make living in a smaller town for 5 years a condition of immigrating?
Actually not a bad idea. Spread them around a bit so that BOTH us and them have a chance to integrate with each other instead of continuing to increase the size of enclaves within certain cities. And maybe make the Big 3 off limits altogether.
The immigration levels are fine, cities like Toronto, Vancouver and Calgary are booming like never before, ghetto is not what I'm finding. Pretty skyscrapers and rows of middle class homes is what I see here.
Detroit; Toronto will not be like. These immigrants on paper are creme de la creme of their own societies. How many minorities in Detroit and Washington DC go to university? Well here in Toronto you can walk to Ryerson, UofT, or York U's campuses and you'll find more browns blacks and yellows that whites and pinks. Rapid upward mobility is the name of the game for these people.
Canada must make sure that immigration fraud is cut down so we continue to receive highly education upwardly mobile classes and not the grimy ones that lied their way here.
Skin colour be damned, it doesn't matter, that's what CBC has been preaching all this time.
Maybe make living in a smaller town for 5 years a condition of immigrating?
Can't be done legally. Even if they have a job in a small town, there's no legal way to keep them there if they want to move. Nor do we want to institute internal control of movement, like some communist country.
But mostly, the small towns just don't have the jobs or housing for this onslaught of people we would need. Neither do the big cities tho.
The writer seems to make the assumption that university degrees is what Canada needs to have valuable citizens. Perhaps the writer forgets that our houses, our schools our roads, our hospitals, our powerlines are all built and maintained by trades people, who do not go to university. Having a degree does not mean you are going to be making lots of money, the amount of people going to my university getting absolutely useless degrees scares me.
If Canada does get a labour shortage we should simply enter a labour agreement with the USA, something which with minimal paper work would allow both Canada and the USA to share its citizens in the work force. The USA has a very large amount of unused workers that Canada could snap up to fill any void. Right now there are over 12 million Americans who are unemployed, many of them highly trained in almost every field. Anything Canada needs we can go shopping for in the good old USA
Maybe make living in a smaller town for 5 years a condition of immigrating?
Can't be done legally. Even if they have a job in a small town, there's no legal way to keep them there if they want to move. Nor do we want to institute internal control of movement, like some communist country.
But mostly, the small towns just don't have the jobs or housing for this onslaught of people we would need. Neither do the big cities tho.
Depends what kind of people they are. THere are thousands of small towns and cities across Canada that would be deleriously happy to get some of those doctors who are driving cabs in Toronto at the moment.
Maybe make living in a smaller town for 5 years a condition of immigrating?
Can't be done legally. Even if they have a job in a small town, there's no legal way to keep them there if they want to move. Nor do we want to institute internal control of movement, like some communist country.
But mostly, the small towns just don't have the jobs or housing for this onslaught of people we would need. Neither do the big cities tho.
Depends what kind of people they are. THere are thousands of small towns and cities across Canada that would be deleriously happy to get some of those doctors who are driving cabs in Toronto at the moment.
And those doctors would love to practice medicine, even in Moose Tit, Manitoba, but unfortunately for them the CMA won't accept their credentials. Plus most immigrants aren't doctors.