The important thing about bike lanes is that they have to go somewhere. In Ottawa, a lot of the bike lanes are completely useless and actually more of a hazard to both cyclist and motorist because the lanes end for no reason, often causing cyclists to have to merge with heavy traffic.
The battle here is not cyclists vs motorists but all people who use the roads vs city planning.
Not until bikes are made out of material that won't scratch vehicles. I've already got three nasty gouges in the Dakota from inconsiderate cyclists who wouldn't get out of my way!
I am seriously wondering why there are so little bike lanes. Of course (and here we go again...) where I come from, EVERY street has a bike lane (except for the highway, which I still think is the most stupid idea, a bike line on a highway...). Its just a matter of widening the roads you are building...
"Brenda" said I am seriously wondering why there are so little bike lanes. Of course (and here we go again...) where I come from, EVERY street has a bike lane (except for the highway, which I still think is the most stupid idea, a bike line on a highway...). Its just a matter of widening the roads you are building...
About 15 years ago, the tree-huggers at the University of Guelph wanted a bike lane to be built on Gordon Street from the U of G campus to downtown Guelph. They protested and lobbied and harassed city counsil. Finally, the city agreed to widen the road and build the bike path, but noted that, to do so, they would have to cut down 120 old growth oak and chestnut trees lining the street to widen it. All of a sudden the same people that were petitioning for the bike path were chaining themselves to the chestnut trees.
"Lemmy" said I am seriously wondering why there are so little bike lanes. Of course (and here we go again...) where I come from, EVERY street has a bike lane (except for the highway, which I still think is the most stupid idea, a bike line on a highway...). Its just a matter of widening the roads you are building...
About 15 years ago, the tree-huggers at the University of Guelph wanted a bike lane to be built on Gordon Street from the U of G campus to downtown Guelph. They protested and lobbied and harassed city counsil. Finally, the city agreed to widen the road and build the bike path, but noted that, to do so, they would have to cut down 120 old growth oak and chestnut trees lining the street to widen it. All of a sudden the same people that were petitioning for the bike path were chaining themselves to the chestnut trees.
When cyclists start obeying the rules of the road ie. stop signs, red lights, one vehicle per lane, than drivers will start respecting them. Too often I see cyclists rant at drivers for driving too close to them but at the next red light the cyclist merely waits for a gap in traffic to carry on his merry way. If cyclists want respect they must change their driving habits!
"2Cdo" said When cyclists start obeying the rules of the road ie. stop signs, red lights, one vehicle per lane, than drivers will start respecting them. Too often I see cyclists rant at drivers for driving too close to them but at the next red light the cyclist merely waits for a gap in traffic to carry on his merry way. If cyclists want respect they must change their driving habits!
Cyclists say the same thing of drivers. If one group is more at fault, I strongly suspect it's the motorists.
"Lemmy" said When cyclists start obeying the rules of the road ie. stop signs, red lights, one vehicle per lane, than drivers will start respecting them. Too often I see cyclists rant at drivers for driving too close to them but at the next red light the cyclist merely waits for a gap in traffic to carry on his merry way. If cyclists want respect they must change their driving habits!
Cyclists say the same thing of drivers. If one group is more at fault, I strongly suspect it's the motorists.
You'd be wrong if you lived where I do. Cyclists obeying traffic signs is almost non-existant, motorists obeying traffic signs is probably close to 100%.
"Lemmy" said I am seriously wondering why there are so little bike lanes. Of course (and here we go again...) where I come from, EVERY street has a bike lane (except for the highway, which I still think is the most stupid idea, a bike line on a highway...). Its just a matter of widening the roads you are building...
About 15 years ago, the tree-huggers at the University of Guelph wanted a bike lane to be built on Gordon Street from the U of G campus to downtown Guelph. They protested and lobbied and harassed city counsil. Finally, the city agreed to widen the road and build the bike path, but noted that, to do so, they would have to cut down 120 old growth oak and chestnut trees lining the street to widen it. All of a sudden the same people that were petitioning for the bike path were chaining themselves to the chestnut trees.
Frankly, it would be better not to have the bike lanes anyway. Cyclists need to learn to ride with the rest of traffic.
The battle here is not cyclists vs motorists but all people who use the roads vs city planning.
I am seriously wondering why there are so little bike lanes. Of course (and here we go again...) where I come from, EVERY street has a bike lane (except for the highway, which I still think is the most stupid idea, a bike line on a highway...). Its just a matter of widening the roads you are building...
About 15 years ago, the tree-huggers at the University of Guelph wanted a bike lane to be built on Gordon Street from the U of G campus to downtown Guelph. They protested and lobbied and harassed city counsil. Finally, the city agreed to widen the road and build the bike path, but noted that, to do so, they would have to cut down 120 old growth oak and chestnut trees lining the street to widen it. All of a sudden the same people that were petitioning for the bike path were chaining themselves to the chestnut trees.
I am seriously wondering why there are so little bike lanes. Of course (and here we go again...) where I come from, EVERY street has a bike lane (except for the highway, which I still think is the most stupid idea, a bike line on a highway...). Its just a matter of widening the roads you are building...
About 15 years ago, the tree-huggers at the University of Guelph wanted a bike lane to be built on Gordon Street from the U of G campus to downtown Guelph. They protested and lobbied and harassed city counsil. Finally, the city agreed to widen the road and build the bike path, but noted that, to do so, they would have to cut down 120 old growth oak and chestnut trees lining the street to widen it. All of a sudden the same people that were petitioning for the bike path were chaining themselves to the chestnut trees.
That is just too funny!
When cyclists start obeying the rules of the road ie. stop signs, red lights, one vehicle per lane, than drivers will start respecting them. Too often I see cyclists rant at drivers for driving too close to them but at the next red light the cyclist merely waits for a gap in traffic to carry on his merry way. If cyclists want respect they must change their driving habits!
Cyclists say the same thing of drivers. If one group is more at fault, I strongly suspect it's the motorists.
When cyclists start obeying the rules of the road ie. stop signs, red lights, one vehicle per lane, than drivers will start respecting them. Too often I see cyclists rant at drivers for driving too close to them but at the next red light the cyclist merely waits for a gap in traffic to carry on his merry way. If cyclists want respect they must change their driving habits!
Cyclists say the same thing of drivers. If one group is more at fault, I strongly suspect it's the motorists.
You'd be wrong if you lived where I do. Cyclists obeying traffic signs is almost non-existant, motorists obeying traffic signs is probably close to 100%.
I am seriously wondering why there are so little bike lanes. Of course (and here we go again...) where I come from, EVERY street has a bike lane (except for the highway, which I still think is the most stupid idea, a bike line on a highway...). Its just a matter of widening the roads you are building...
About 15 years ago, the tree-huggers at the University of Guelph wanted a bike lane to be built on Gordon Street from the U of G campus to downtown Guelph. They protested and lobbied and harassed city counsil. Finally, the city agreed to widen the road and build the bike path, but noted that, to do so, they would have to cut down 120 old growth oak and chestnut trees lining the street to widen it. All of a sudden the same people that were petitioning for the bike path were chaining themselves to the chestnut trees.
Frankly, it would be better not to have the bike lanes anyway. Cyclists need to learn to ride with the rest of traffic.
Frankly, it would be better not to have the bike lanes anyway. Cyclists need to learn to ride with the rest of traffic.
Ideally that would require a big change of attitude by both parties.