In order to make any electric car viable in the real world, range has to exceed mere commuting capability and extend into weekend jaunts to the country. To that end, the Model S should excel with a choice of three range packs that start at 257 km (160 miles), reach a median of 370 km (230 miles) and top out at 483 km (300 miles), the topmost model featuring 440-volt charging and the lesser models featuring 110- and 220-volt power sources respectively. A quick charge can be achieved in only 45 minutes, while a full charge will take up to 4 hours via a 220-volt plug; a connection to North America's 110-volt household current will take longer.
Looks like the future has arrived. (or at least getting much closer)
See I disagree with the idea that for electirc cars to be viable they need to be able to travel on long road trips. Who says that we still cant use a gas powered or at least a hybrid fuel vehicle for these and have the all electric for commuting? To say that you won't buy an electric car because you can't drive to thunder bay is ridiculous.
As the technology is right now i would say that at least 90% of those who work and live in urban areas would be able to commute with an electric vehicle. Most people in urban areas work within a 50 km radius of their home anyways so you drive to work, plus in your vehicle, let it sit there for 8 hours and get back in and drive home. The same goes for trips to the grocery store or the mall, or hockey practice or whatever. That accounts for the majority or driving that people do. There is a need to start thinking outside the box and realize that maybe polluting the air we breath is not necessarily the best idea in the world.
Obviously this wont work for those with very long commutes or those who work in rural areas and need trucks to do their job. Thats fine. But for most of us, this would work fine. Supplement this with a much more efficient mass transit system with electric trains and all this electricity provided by nuclear power and we have a fairly good system in place.
Wow, this kind of got out of control, didn't mean to make it this long. I hereby end my rant.
"SigPig" said See I disagree with the idea that for electirc cars to be viable they need to be able to travel on long road trips. Who says that we still cant use a gas powered or at least a hybrid fuel vehicle for these and have the all electric for commuting?
After spending 50,000 on a 'commuter', who wants to go out and buy a second machine for road trips?
No thanks, my $20,000 Malibu Maxx does it all.
I think you will have to have range if you're going to sell to the average family. I don't think I know anybody who would shell out that kind of money and not have the ability to travel...
"Robair" said See I disagree with the idea that for electirc cars to be viable they need to be able to travel on long road trips. Who says that we still cant use a gas powered or at least a hybrid fuel vehicle for these and have the all electric for commuting?
After spending 50,000 on a 'commuter', who wants to go out and buy a second machine for road trips?
No thanks, my $20,000 Malibu Maxx does it all.
I think you will have to have range if you're going to sell to the average family. I don't think I know anybody who would shell out that kind of money and not have the ability to travel...
Well I'm sure most people would already have a car already. And look what you would be doing....
-Spending $0 on gas for work, school, ect -Putting less miles on your other car if you just use it for long commutes (long living you car).
"Robair" said After spending 50,000 on a 'commuter', who wants to go out and buy a second machine for road trips?
No thanks, my $20,000 Malibu Maxx does it all.
I think you will have to have range if you're going to sell to the average family. I don't think I know anybody who would shell out that kind of money and not have the ability to travel...
"Robair" said After spending 50,000 on a 'commuter', who wants to go out and buy a second machine for road trips?
No thanks, my $20,000 Malibu Maxx does it all.
I think you will have to have range if you're going to sell to the average family. I don't think I know anybody who would shell out that kind of money and not have the ability to travel...
The price does need to come down, and the vehicle in this article is a luxury car. Zenn for example, though it lacks some range and speed is more in line with the commuter vehicle. Small, efficient and affordable.
But I have seen people on this board and talked to a number of people personally who say that 150-200km range is not enough because they can't drive anywhere. No mention of price or any other factor which is just ignorant stubborness as far as I am concerned.
Well I'm sure most people would already have a car already. And look what you would be doing....
-Spending $0 on gas for work, school, ect -Putting less miles on your other car if you just use it for long commutes (long living you car).
In the long run it would balance out.
So now instead of having one car that fits all your needs, you've got two cars. That means two insurance packages, two cars to service, and two bills for energy, one gas one electricity. No it makes much more sense to develop a vehicle that will meet the needs of it's customers instead of people settling for something because it's green.
Well I'm sure most people would already have a car already. And look what you would be doing....
-Spending $0 on gas for work, school, ect -Putting less miles on your other car if you just use it for long commutes (long living you car).
In the long run it would balance out.
So now instead of having one car that fits all your needs, you've got two cars. That means two insurance packages, two cars to service, and two bills for energy, one gas one electricity. No it makes much more sense to develop a vehicle that will meet the needs of it's customers instead of people settling for something because it's green.
Most people own at least two vehicles now anyways. You are making it sound like this is some ridiculous far-fetched inconvenience. "Oh no! I have to get insurance for TWO vehicles?!?!?!"
Well I would spend about $75 of gas a week last summer for work and school. So it was about $300 a month or $3,000 a year. Figure that over 10 years which is $30,000...and I'm sure the electric car would last at least 10 years.
...actually if you really look at it, yeah its not worth it
Besides, you would feel like you would get screwed if you bought one then a year later the price went down.
"ziggy" said The electricity has to come from somewhere and thats most likely a coal fired generating plant so there is a trade off.
Not in Canada.
Sheerness and genessee in Alberta,boundary dam in sask. All coal fired generators.Sure, but if you read the article it breaks down where the electricity would be coming from in Canada. You would reduce the carbon by 98% here due to the amount of hydro Canada uses...
Looks like the future has arrived. (or at least getting much closer)
As the technology is right now i would say that at least 90% of those who work and live in urban areas would be able to commute with an electric vehicle. Most people in urban areas work within a 50 km radius of their home anyways so you drive to work, plus in your vehicle, let it sit there for 8 hours and get back in and drive home. The same goes for trips to the grocery store or the mall, or hockey practice or whatever. That accounts for the majority or driving that people do. There is a need to start thinking outside the box and realize that maybe polluting the air we breath is not necessarily the best idea in the world.
Obviously this wont work for those with very long commutes or those who work in rural areas and need trucks to do their job. Thats fine. But for most of us, this would work fine. Supplement this with a much more efficient mass transit system with electric trains and all this electricity provided by nuclear power and we have a fairly good system in place.
Wow, this kind of got out of control, didn't mean to make it this long. I hereby end my rant.
See I disagree with the idea that for electirc cars to be viable they need to be able to travel on long road trips. Who says that we still cant use a gas powered or at least a hybrid fuel vehicle for these and have the all electric for commuting?
No thanks, my $20,000 Malibu Maxx does it all.
I think you will have to have range if you're going to sell to the average family. I don't think I know anybody who would shell out that kind of money and not have the ability to travel...
See I disagree with the idea that for electirc cars to be viable they need to be able to travel on long road trips. Who says that we still cant use a gas powered or at least a hybrid fuel vehicle for these and have the all electric for commuting?
No thanks, my $20,000 Malibu Maxx does it all.
I think you will have to have range if you're going to sell to the average family. I don't think I know anybody who would shell out that kind of money and not have the ability to travel...
Well I'm sure most people would already have a car already. And look what you would be doing....
-Spending $0 on gas for work, school, ect
-Putting less miles on your other car if you just use it for long commutes (long living you car).
In the long run it would balance out.
After spending 50,000 on a 'commuter', who wants to go out and buy a second machine for road trips?
No thanks, my $20,000 Malibu Maxx does it all.
I think you will have to have range if you're going to sell to the average family. I don't think I know anybody who would shell out that kind of money and not have the ability to travel...
The electricity has to come from somewhere and thats most likely a coal fired generating plant so there is a trade off.
Well I'm sure most people would already have a car already. And look what you would be doing....
-Spending $0 on gas for work, school, ect
-Putting less miles on your other car if you just use it for long commutes (long living you car).
In the long run it would balance out.
After spending 50,000 on a 'commuter', who wants to go out and buy a second machine for road trips?
No thanks, my $20,000 Malibu Maxx does it all.
I think you will have to have range if you're going to sell to the average family. I don't think I know anybody who would shell out that kind of money and not have the ability to travel...
The price does need to come down, and the vehicle in this article is a luxury car. Zenn for example, though it lacks some range and speed is more in line with the commuter vehicle. Small, efficient and affordable.
But I have seen people on this board and talked to a number of people personally who say that 150-200km range is not enough because they can't drive anywhere. No mention of price or any other factor which is just ignorant stubborness as far as I am concerned.
Well I'm sure most people would already have a car already. And look what you would be doing....
-Spending $0 on gas for work, school, ect
-Putting less miles on your other car if you just use it for long commutes (long living you car).
In the long run it would balance out.
So now instead of having one car that fits all your needs, you've got two cars. That means two insurance packages, two cars to service, and two bills for energy, one gas one electricity. No it makes much more sense to develop a vehicle that will meet the needs of it's customers instead of people settling for something because it's green.
The electricity has to come from somewhere and thats most likely a coal fired generating plant so there is a trade off.
Sheerness and genessee in Alberta,boundary dam in sask.
All coal fired generators.
Well I'm sure most people would already have a car already. And look what you would be doing....
-Spending $0 on gas for work, school, ect
-Putting less miles on your other car if you just use it for long commutes (long living you car).
In the long run it would balance out.
So now instead of having one car that fits all your needs, you've got two cars. That means two insurance packages, two cars to service, and two bills for energy, one gas one electricity. No it makes much more sense to develop a vehicle that will meet the needs of it's customers instead of people settling for something because it's green.
Most people own at least two vehicles now anyways. You are making it sound like this is some ridiculous far-fetched inconvenience. "Oh no! I have to get insurance for TWO vehicles?!?!?!"
...actually if you really look at it, yeah its not worth it
Besides, you would feel like you would get screwed if you bought one then a year later the price went down.
The electricity has to come from somewhere and thats most likely a coal fired generating plant so there is a trade off.
Sheerness and genessee in Alberta,boundary dam in sask.
All coal fired generators.Sure, but if you read the article it breaks down where the electricity would be coming from in Canada. You would reduce the carbon by 98% here due to the amount of hydro Canada uses...