CBC News has learned that the two men charged with first-degree murder in the fatal shooting of four RCMP officers in Mayerthorpe, Alta., are expected to plead guilty Monday to a lesser charge of manslaughter.
Alberta community quiet before court appearance of two men charged in RCMP deaths
The community of Barrhead is very quiet this weekend as two of their young men are heading to court Monday.
Friday we told you that Shawn Hennessey, 28, and Dennis Cheeseman, 24, are heading to court two months early. Both are accused of helping James Roszko kill four RCMP officers in Mayerthrope back on March 3, 2005. James Roszko shot and killed Leo Johnston, Peter Schiemann, Brock Myrol and Anthony Gordon before taking his own life.
Editor of the Barrhead Reader, Andrew Coffey,has the ear of the community. He tells iNews880 that community support of the two men continues but conversation about the case has virtually ceased. "It's very difficult to get information from anyone. People are generally tight lipped about it. It's been difficult to learn anything else."
RCMP spokesperson Corporal Wayne Oakes say rumours Hennessey and Cheeseman are going to plead to manslaughter Monday are just that - rumours. (ly,blb)
"Robair" said Pleading guilty! I wonder what they did to help Roszko?
You have to wonder too, why two men charged with 1st degree murder in the death of 4 police officers are even out on bail. IMHO, they did nothing to help Rozko nor is there any evidence of that. But somehow there is enough evidence for a trial.
This case somehow doesn't pass the sniff test for me.
For me it's the comments that the two men have community support, and the interviews with locals saying there's no way etc. A small community wouldn't throw support behind somebody responsible for something like that. You don't hear any locals supporting the local phsyco that did the shooting...
"Robair" said They supplied the gun and ammo. And when doing so, they made sure to wipe their prints from the gun. Not sounding so innocent all of a sudden.
Sounds like the mounties got their men.
Still doesn't pass the sniff test somehow. Rozko used a H&K 91, but this was somehow registered to these guys grandfather? How could you register a gun that has always been illegal?
I can see why they were charged however. Giving Rozko a ride back from his aunt's, dropping him by a nearby field . . .I guess that's why the Crown reduced the charges. Proving they knew Rozko was going to kill the mounties would be very difficult.
The grandfather's gun was never used. But they drove him back, dropped him off and had a discussion over wether or not to call the RCMP. They were more scared of wingnut than they were the law I guess. Bad choice.
They'll be locked away from their families for a few years, small price to pay. Those mounties are never coming home to theirs.
I don't want to infer that I know more about this than I do, ( I have known one of the families for many, many years and was very good friends with ones Dad, Grandparents and Aunts), but I think that in view of what the boys didn't know or have any reason to suspect that the threats that rozko was making were anything more than just more of his 'bullshit & bragging' as well as the fact that there is a well documented history of rozco not being charged or if charged then granted bail,coupled with his own documented history of intimidation of those who opposed him in any way, both of these young men acted accordingly by not 'reporting' more of the 'same old, same old' to the RCMP. Albeit the wrong choice that time. How could they possibly have known? 1st degree murder would never have 'stuck', but laying such charges gave the Crown the appearance of diligence, as well it also gave the Crown 'something to work with, withwhich to appease the publics' demand that 'someone be held accountable ' for this tradgedy. They will not do much 'prison time' if in fact they do any at all. They have/will do a 'life sentence' as regards public opinion as well as that which their own consciences dole out.
I don't want to infer that I know more about this than I do, ( I have known one of the families for many, many years and was very good friends with ones Dad, Grandparents and Aunts), but I think that in view of what the boys didn't know or have any reason to suspect that the threats that rozko was making were anything more than just more of his 'bullshit & bragging' as well as the fact that there is a well documented history of rozco not being charged or if charged then granted bail,coupled with his own documented history of intimidation of those who opposed him in any way, both of these young men acted accordingly by not 'reporting' more of the 'same old, same old' to the RCMP.
I have sympathy for the families but sorry,this is the absolute 100 percent wrong way for this to be dealt with, this was not proper procedure on there part. sorry
I don't want to infer that I know more about this than I do, ( I have known one of the families for many, many years and was very good friends with ones Dad, Grandparents and Aunts), but I think that in view of what the boys didn't know or have any reason to suspect that the threats that rozko was making were anything more than just more of his 'bullshit & bragging' as well as the fact that there is a well documented history of rozco not being charged or if charged then granted bail,coupled with his own documented history of intimidation of those who opposed him in any way, both of these young men acted accordingly by not 'reporting' more of the 'same old, same old' to the RCMP.
I have sympathy for the families but sorry,this is the absolute 100 percent wrong way for this to be dealt with, this was not proper procedure on there part. sorry
I don't want anyone to think that I would possibly try to trivialize this tradgedy in any way!
On the part of the young men's thinking, they had no reason whatsoever to think that rozkos' claims were not just more of his hot air. Couple that, based on the past actions of the police and courts in regards to rozco, with the men's personal past experience with rozco for his bullying and intimidation tactics going unpunished, why would they 'report it to the RCMP'? They felt it would just be , another ride on the merry-go round'! This time they made the wrong choice. A classic case of ' the boy who cried wolf'! Certainly I don't condone the outcome, but I have asked again and again, ' How could they possibly have known that this time...??? As I stated earlier, in any number of ways, they will pay for making 'the wrong decision this time'.
On the part of the young men's thinking, they had no reason whatsoever to think that rozkos' claims were not just more of his hot air. Couple that, based on the past actions of the police and courts in regards to rozco, with the men's personal past experience with rozco for his bullying and intimidation tactics going unpunished, why would they 'report it to the RCMP'?
Would you report a bully or a thief again if he got off from the poilce?. I would. Oh yeah and in a situation like that common sense says to "be safe then sorry"
"Yogi" said They felt it would just be , another ride on the merry-go round'! This time they made the wrong choice. A classic case of ' the boy who cried wolf'! Certainly I don't condone the outcome, but I have asked again and again, ' How could they possibly have known that this time...???
Cause there officers with training and are in a job where there supposed to question everything, thats why in some states and cities when a driver is pulled over and a lone officer is there they either approach with gun drawn or ask the offender to exit the vehicle themselves . Its happened to me twice in three years.
Friday we told you that Shawn Hennessey, 28, and Dennis Cheeseman, 24, are heading to court two months early. Both are accused of helping James Roszko kill four RCMP officers in Mayerthrope back on March 3, 2005. James Roszko shot and killed Leo Johnston, Peter Schiemann, Brock Myrol and Anthony Gordon before taking his own life.
Editor of the Barrhead Reader, Andrew Coffey,has the ear of the community. He tells iNews880 that community support of the two men continues but conversation about the case has virtually ceased. "It's very difficult to get information from anyone. People are generally tight lipped about it. It's been difficult to learn anything else."
RCMP spokesperson Corporal Wayne Oakes say rumours Hennessey and Cheeseman are going to plead to manslaughter Monday are just that - rumours. (ly,blb)
Pleading guilty! I wonder what they did to help Roszko?
You have to wonder too, why two men charged with 1st degree murder in the death of 4 police officers are even out on bail. IMHO, they did nothing to help Rozko nor is there any evidence of that. But somehow there is enough evidence for a trial.
This case somehow doesn't pass the sniff test for me.
http://www.cbc.ca/newsatsixedmonton/mayerthorpe.html
Wonder if we're going to get to hear how they contributed to wingnuts ambush.
Sounds like the mounties got their men.
They supplied the gun and ammo. And when doing so, they made sure to wipe their prints from the gun. Not sounding so innocent all of a sudden.
Sounds like the mounties got their men.
Still doesn't pass the sniff test somehow. Rozko used a H&K 91, but this was somehow registered to these guys grandfather? How could you register a gun that has always been illegal?
I can see why they were charged however. Giving Rozko a ride back from his aunt's, dropping him by a nearby field . . .I guess that's why the Crown reduced the charges. Proving they knew Rozko was going to kill the mounties would be very difficult.
They'll be locked away from their families for a few years, small price to pay. Those mounties are never coming home to theirs.
I don't want to infer that I know more about this than I do, ( I have known one of the families for many, many years and was very good friends with ones Dad, Grandparents and Aunts), but I think that in view of what the boys didn't know or have any reason to suspect that the threats that rozko was making were anything more than just more of his 'bullshit & bragging' as well as the fact that there is a well documented history of rozco not being charged or if charged then granted bail,coupled with his own documented history of intimidation of those who opposed him in any way, both of these young men acted accordingly by not 'reporting' more of the 'same old, same old' to the RCMP. Albeit the wrong choice that time. How could they possibly have known?
1st degree murder would never have 'stuck', but laying such charges gave the Crown the appearance of diligence, as well it also gave the Crown 'something to work with, withwhich to appease the publics' demand that 'someone be held accountable ' for this tradgedy. They will not do much 'prison time' if in fact they do any at all. They have/will do a 'life sentence' as regards public opinion as well as that which their own consciences dole out.
I don't want to infer that I know more about this than I do, ( I have known one of the families for many, many years and was very good friends with ones Dad, Grandparents and Aunts), but I think that in view of what the boys didn't know or have any reason to suspect that the threats that rozko was making were anything more than just more of his 'bullshit & bragging' as well as the fact that there is a well documented history of rozco not being charged or if charged then granted bail,coupled with his own documented history of intimidation of those who opposed him in any way, both of these young men acted accordingly by not 'reporting' more of the 'same old, same old' to the RCMP.
I have sympathy for the families but sorry,this is the absolute 100 percent wrong way for this to be dealt with, this was not proper procedure on there part. sorry
I don't want to infer that I know more about this than I do, ( I have known one of the families for many, many years and was very good friends with ones Dad, Grandparents and Aunts), but I think that in view of what the boys didn't know or have any reason to suspect that the threats that rozko was making were anything more than just more of his 'bullshit & bragging' as well as the fact that there is a well documented history of rozco not being charged or if charged then granted bail,coupled with his own documented history of intimidation of those who opposed him in any way, both of these young men acted accordingly by not 'reporting' more of the 'same old, same old' to the RCMP.
I have sympathy for the families but sorry,this is the absolute 100 percent wrong way for this to be dealt with, this was not proper procedure on there part. sorry
I don't want anyone to think that I would possibly try to trivialize this tradgedy in any way!
On the part of the young men's thinking, they had no reason whatsoever to think that rozkos' claims were not just more of his hot air. Couple that, based on the past actions of the police and courts in regards to rozco, with the men's personal past experience with rozco for his bullying and intimidation tactics going unpunished, why would they 'report it to the RCMP'? They felt it would just be , another ride on the merry-go round'! This time they made the wrong choice. A classic case of ' the boy who cried wolf'! Certainly I don't condone the outcome, but I have asked again and again, ' How could they possibly have known that this time...??? As I stated earlier, in any number of ways, they will pay for making 'the wrong decision this time'.
On the part of the young men's thinking, they had no reason whatsoever to think that rozkos' claims were not just more of his hot air. Couple that, based on the past actions of the police and courts in regards to rozco, with the men's personal past experience with rozco for his bullying and intimidation tactics going unpunished, why would they 'report it to the RCMP'?
Would you report a bully or a thief again if he got off from the poilce?. I would. Oh yeah and in a situation like that common sense says to "be safe then sorry"
They felt it would just be , another ride on the merry-go round'! This time they made the wrong choice. A classic case of ' the boy who cried wolf'! Certainly I don't condone the outcome, but I have asked again and again, ' How could they possibly have known that this time...???
Cause there officers with training and are in a job where there supposed to question everything, thats why in some states and cities when a driver is pulled over and a lone officer is there they either approach with gun drawn or ask the offender to exit the vehicle themselves . Its happened to me twice in three years.