 Military to dump $250M drones OTTAWA - The Canadian military will shut down its fleet of aerial drones now being used in Afghanistan after spending more than $250 million on the aircraft.Commentsview comments in forum Page 1 2 You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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I say throw them away as well and get new ones.
anything military is expensive and in theater it doesn't take long the beat the shit out of equipment.
just part of doing business.
September 02, 2006
'The Danish ministry of defence has finalised a deal with a Canadian defence contractor to dispose of its "unreliable" 10-strong fleet of Sagem Sperwer tactical unmanned air vehicle (UAV) for the unit cost of one.
The previously-owned UAVs were acquired by Denmark in 2002 for DKr425 million ($73 million), but the kingdom has accepted a bargain offer of C$7.7 million ($7 million) from Oerlikon Aerospace, the Quebec prime Sperwer contractor for the Canadian armed forces, despite the fact that the drones are barely used.'
Looks to me like another leftover deal the Liberals found.
From what I heard, these things are called the skidoos because that's what they sound like. You can probably guess that loud recon aircraft are a bad combination. We can probably hand these over to the Afghans when we get the new ones.
What a biased load of crap.
September 02, 2006
'The Danish ministry of defence has finalised a deal with a Canadian defence contractor to dispose of its "unreliable" 10-strong fleet of Sagem Sperwer tactical unmanned air vehicle (UAV) for the unit cost of one.
The previously-owned UAVs were acquired by Denmark in 2002 for DKr425 million ($73 million), but the kingdom has accepted a bargain offer of C$7.7 million ($7 million) from Oerlikon Aerospace, the Quebec prime Sperwer contractor for the Canadian armed forces, despite the fact that the drones are barely used.'
Looks to me like another leftover deal the Liberals found.
Sounds like the deal was finalized by your buddies, not the Libs...pull your head out of Harper's ass and take an objective look at things.
If you can't contribute to the conversation, go bitch about party finances or something else where your 'knowledge' might actually apply. You're way out of your depth when it comes to defence topics...
“It’s inexcusable that this situation exists, but it’s time to fix the problem,” he said.
Kenny said new UAVs are needed not only to provide surveillance for troops in combat, but to deal with improvised explosive devices. The UAVs could scout out convoy routes to detect insurgents planting IEDs.
The Canadian Forces originally looked at a plan to lease a fleet of tactical UAVs for its Kandahar operations, but instead decided to let the existing Sperwers do the job.
Instead of getting something new they went small town cheap.
Wow. Does that sound familiar!
Those UAVs were originally purchased for Canada’s 2003 mission in Kabul but sustained a series of widely publicized crashes. The problems were blamed on a combination of operator inexperience and harsh operating conditions.
For its original 2003 Afghanistan deployment, Canada bought six Sperwer airframes, launchers, ground control stations and simulators for 33.8 million Canadian dollars ($32 million). The Canadian Forces later spent 15 million Canadian dollars to buy five additional Sperwers for the Kandahar mission.
Canada also purchased 10 used Sperwers from the Danish military last year. Six have been delivered and four are undergoing modifications at Sagem, Barnes said.
http://www.isrjournal.com/story.php?F=3072796
Sounds like the deal was finalized by your buddies, not the Libs...pull your head out of Harper's ass and take an objective look at things.
If you can't contribute to the conversation, go bitch about party finances or something else where your 'knowledge' might actually apply. You're way out of your depth when it comes to defence topics...
It's what's for dinner!
Boots.. Why do you always do this? Do you imagine that this government made this deal in less than a year? You know things don't work that way.
The deal for the C-17s was done in under a year...I know perfectly well that the Libs bought the first batch of Sperwers. The point I'm making is that if your buddies thought it was such a piece of shit, why did they finalize the deal and buy MORE? If it was such a piece of crap, they should have CANCELLED the deal, but they didn't.
Probably because like the rest of the defence portfolio, they fucked up. They promise one thing and deliver another. The only thing of note they bought were four moving vans (C-17s). If they hadn't been so impatient/foolish, they could have kept renting/leasing AN-124s (like they did AFTER the C-17s were ordered to deliver tanks to Kandahar) and spent the difference on a host of things, like say real icebreakers, the JSS, SAR planes, or one of a dozen platforms we need replaced. Instead they cut a deal with Bush and bought his expensive toys, which due to lack of spare parts, have been grounded way too often.
Hmmm...$50 million a year to lease planes 24/7 from a Toronto company or give $3 billion to Boeing in Chicago...yeah that's brilliant financial acumen. Even 1/5 of that would have given them some room to follow through on their JSS purchase (remember, one of the four planks of 'Canada First').
Sounds like the deal was finalized by your buddies, not the Libs...pull your head out of Harper's ass and take an objective look at things.
If you can't contribute to the conversation, go bitch about party finances or something else where your 'knowledge' might actually apply. You're way out of your depth when it comes to defence topics...
It's what's for dinner!
Typical RR, when you can't debate, deflect. Whatever hack...
( I have flown in Russian aircraft, not exactly a pleasant experience)
Now back to the drones!
Sounds like the deal was finalized by your buddies, not the Libs...pull your head out of Harper's ass and take an objective look at things.
If you can't contribute to the conversation, go bitch about party finances or something else where your 'knowledge' might actually apply. You're way out of your depth when it comes to defence topics...
It's what's for dinner!
Typical RR, when you can't debate, deflect. Whatever hack...
What was you're answer, but a deflection?
C-17..icebreakers..JSS..SAR planes
The only thing you missed out was the MGS and the Subs!
If it was such a piece of crap, they should have CANCELLED the deal, but they didn't.
Paging Liberal senator Jason Kenny to the office...
If they were a POS then weren't they a POS back in 2003?
Who in the Liberal government got a kickback on this one?
The original 10 UAVs are being modified with new engines and more powerful launchers and the plan is to replace them with a new UAV before these all crash.
If you're aware of all this, of how the Sperwer are not up to the task, of who bought them and why, then why are you playing politics with their replacement.
The Sperwer may not have been the best choice but it's what we have and now we need something better than the usual hand-me-downs the Liberals keep buying for our forces.
Like the bulk of the equipment, what little there is, that Harper bought or leased?
Face it. Your hero Harper has done so much less in office then Martin despite having more money and apparently the political support to do so.
The only thing you missed out was the MGS and the Subs!
Sadly, the list of projects the Conservatives have stalled/cancelled/downgraded is even longer.
Who in the Liberal government got a kickback on this one?
The original 10 UAVs are being modified with new engines and more powerful launchers and the plan is to replace them with a new UAV before these all crash.
If you're aware of all this, of how the Sperwer are not up to the task, of who bought them and why, then why are you playing politics with their replacement.
The Sperwer may not have been the best choice but it's what we have and now we need something better than the usual hand-me-downs the Liberals keep buying for our forces.
So many errors I don't know where to start...but then again, you've never let things like facts get in the way of your blind partisanship.
First off, I think you are talking about Colin Kenney. Jason Kenney is a know-nothing propaganda-spewing mouthpiece for the Conservative party.
Second, last time I checked, the senate had nothing to do with defence spending, that's belongs to the party in power in the House of Commons.
The Libs never said they were a POS, you did (maybe the Conservatives too, but I'm honestly not sure). Therefore it was incumbent on you and yours to cancel the POS, not buy more of them. That's where they let us down.
BTW, the French and Dutch are quite content using the exact same drone in Afghanistan, so methinks it's not so much the drone that's the problem.
Harper et al came up with a great defence plan since they got elected, maybe you remember it...Canada First. It promised four key platforms; the JSS, armoured trucks (again for Afghanistan), CH-47Fs and the C-17. Based on casual observation, they are 1 for 4. They bought the C-17s. The CH-47s have still not even been ordered. Same goes for the armoured trucks. The JSS was cancelled as 'too expensive'. Harper has also told the CF to 'make do' with the SAR planes they have for almost another decade. Other major fleet renewals (DDHs or fighters for example) haven't even been looked at. To top it off, his annual budget increases were no larger than Martin's government projected.
If Harper really was the paragon of military virtue that you and the rest of the Cosnervatives here make him out to be, he'd say, let's spend the extra couple hundred million on the JSS or order some new SAR planes or even restore his promise to build three icebreakers. Hell, increase annual defence spending by more than Martin's Liberals promised! Any one of those initiatives would deflect this criticism. Sadly, he sounds more and more like a beatnik anti-military Liberal everyday, spending just enough to keep his allies in NATO happy.
He's obviously decided that votes are more important than national defence, so he's channelling the surplus into feel good tax cuts and pork barrel subsidies of auto plants and other shit to help him win the next election.