 'My men don't want to come back after 2009' KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- "My men don't want to come back after 2009," said the captain, a grizzled army veteran. A bold comment. Sitting across from him at the breakfast table, at a Canadian forward operating base in volatile Panjwaii district, was a fCommentsview comments in forum Page 1 2 You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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"Who cares what the Taliban are doing in Panjwaii and Zhari," said one of them. "I'm sick and tired of hearing about that. No one here even thinks about the Taliban anymore. We need help and it's not coming. Kandahar is the country's second biggest city [after the capital, Kabul] but we don't even have basic services. And the Canadians talk about spending millions of dollars to pave more roads in Panjwaii. What good will that do us?"
That could be the reason.
The Afghans seem to be asking for a lot, they should start doing something for themselves.
Agreed. The problem is that when people ask that they are inevitably called taliban symapthizers
There is no direct comparison with Afghanistan because the people that could change things left a decade before, were killed or already work for the bad guys.
It's funny that you people who demand them to stand on their own feet are the same who are the first to bitch at rumors of torture, corruption or failures in their government. It's almost like you want the taliban to win.
The WW2 Germany comparison is a false one because germany was at it's peak for a decade before then. Most of the city workers and administrators simply changed hats, brushed off the dirt and kept on going.
There is no direct comparison with Afghanistan because the people that could change things left a decade before, were killed or already work for the bad guys.
It's funny that you people who demand them to stand on their own feet are the same who are the first to bitch at rumors of torture, corruption or failures in their government. It's almost like you want the taliban to win.
You are the people comparing it to WW2, not us.
By ttying down our forces here its almost as if you enjoy hearing about the genocide in Africa. Do you?
Get it?
Damned, you are so predictable.
Does that mean you agree with Layton that we put our troops in Darfur, even though they don't want them there, or maybe you want to do Rwanda again. The Liberals, AND THE OTHER PARTIES, were pretty invisable when that was happening. Maybe we can do it again except with the Canadian troops handing out toothbrushes and hockey sticks while mugging for the camera.
The army is now doing what armies do, protecting, partolling, training and fighting. If you want a PR army, go hire the A-team.
No. I've read a number of occasions where you made that comparison. Did you think I forgot or did you, and I'll bet you'll challenge me to prove that but refuse any proof, demand an apology and then start making rude comments about my english skills.
Damned, you are so predictable.
Does that mean you agree with Layton that we put our troops in Darfur, even though they don't want them there, or maybe you want to do Rwanda again. The Liberals, AND THE OTHER PARTIES, were pretty invisable when that was happening. Maybe we can do it again except with the Canadian troops handing out toothbrushes and hockey sticks while mugging for the camera.
The army is now doing what armies do, protecting, partolling, training and fighting. If you want a PR army, go hire the A-team.
Actually you haven't.
At best you have read my condemnation of that comparison or me saying that us invading Afghanistan was no different then the nazis invading france.
Big difference.
Aside from your boloocks I have to ask why do you hate Africans?
Is it because they are black? Are you a racists? Why did you not support full scale invasion of Ruwanda back then? Why did you not voice your support for full scsle attack when the USSR cruely invaded the peaceful taliban students who only wanted tostudy islam in peace?
Did you call for Canada to lead the invasion into Iraq in Gulf 1? In somalia did yopu support us killing every single living human in the cities to bring peace?
How comimited are you?
Can you even think about a way you can achieve any peace peacefully?
The reason why no one there thinks about the Taliban there anymore is because of what the Canadians are doing you effing ingrate.
And at that point the coalition forces will leave and guess who'll be waiting to march back in: the Taliban. At that point don't bother calling, you're on your own. Bloody ingrates.
Can you even think about a way you can achieve any peace ?
nuclear strikes in a pretty floral pattern.
Seriously, in order for there to be peace the people must WANT peace.
Many conflicts in Africa are unsolvable because the people do not want
to stop killing each other.
Somalia is the perfect example.. Sierrra Leone, Angola,and now Kenya...
i just wonder when the shit is going to hit the fan in South Africa.
Rwanda would have been a great waste of time and energy..it is
useless to intervene until people are tired of killing..
and not to forget the political reality that the country is in the middle of nowhere, and not very important.
Despite such bait, I'll be clear on Africa. Canada never had any colonial ties with Africa so I believe we are way down on the list of those who should feel the need to help. All of Europe has far more collective blood on their hands than poor little Canada, and although we should help, like good little citizens, their aid systems are so corrupt that whatever money we do send never gets to the people who need it.
That said, I would have been the first to stand and cheer if Martin ignored the UN, listened to his general, and flooded Rwanda with every combat troop or RCMP that Canada had. That mission cried out for action and that's why so many here crucify Dallaire, because he did what he was told, not what was right.
I agree that the west should have stepped in after the soviets moved out but I'm sure some local politics with Pakistan was afoot at the time. I honestly wish the west had stepped in.
Please do show where I hate Africa. You're rhetoric is silly and desperate.
Despite such bait, I'll be clear on Africa. Canada never had any colonial ties with Africa so I believe we are way down on the list of those who should feel the need to help. All of Europe has far more collective blood on their hands than poor little Canada, and although we should help, like good little citizens, their aid systems are so corrupt that whatever money we do send never gets to the people who need it.
That said, I would have been the first to stand and cheer if Martin ignored the UN, listened to his general, and flooded Rwanda with every combat troop or RCMP that Canada had. That mission cried out for action and that's why so many here crucify Dallaire, because he did what he was told, not what was right.
I agree that the west should have stepped in after the soviets moved out but I'm sure some local politics with Pakistan was afoot at the time. I honestly wish the west had stepped in.
I didn't say you hated africa (can you read this?) I mearly meade the point that all you heros triumphing tha stan are bloody hypocrites trying to win votes with milk sop storis of helping girls in afghanistan.
I can see any raise you make and trump it.
MY Darwin. Read and absorb the material.
OK. (sigh) Your honework will be to discuss the state of affairs that existed before the USSR intervention (as requested by the afghans) and the cruel nature that CIA operatives delivered them intothe bossom of terrorism.
You will then correlate the conflict with the boer war.
I expect it on my desk in a week.
Please do show where I hate Africa. You're rhetoric is silly and desperate.
Despite such bait, I'll be clear on Africa. Canada never had any colonial ties with Africa so I believe we are way down on the list of those who should feel the need to help. All of Europe has far more collective blood on their hands than poor little Canada, and although we should help, like good little citizens, their aid systems are so corrupt that whatever money we do send never gets to the people who need it.
That said, I would have been the first to stand and cheer if Martin ignored the UN, listened to his general, and flooded Rwanda with every combat troop or RCMP that Canada had. That mission cried out for action and that's why so many here crucify Dallaire, because he did what he was told, not what was right.
I agree that the west should have stepped in after the soviets moved out but I'm sure some local politics with Pakistan was afoot at the time. I honestly wish the west had stepped in.
I didn't say you hated africa (can you read this?) I mearly meade the point that all you heros triumphing tha stan are bloody hypocrites trying to win votes with milk sop storis of helping girls in afghanistan.
I can see any raise you make and trump it.
MY Darwin. Read and absorb the material.
OK. (sigh) Your honework will be to discuss the state of affairs that existed before the USSR intervention (as requested by the afghans) and the cruel nature that CIA operatives delivered them intothe bossom of terrorism.
You will then correlate the conflict with the boer war.
I expect it on my desk in a week.
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ridenrain wrote:
No. I've read a number of occasions where you made that comparison. Did you think I forgot or did you, and I'll bet you'll challenge me to prove that but refuse any proof, demand an apology and then start making rude comments about my english skills.
Damned, you are so predictable.
Does that mean you agree with Layton that we put our troops in Darfur, even though they don't want them there, or maybe you want to do Rwanda again. The Liberals, AND THE OTHER PARTIES, were pretty invisable when that was happening. Maybe we can do it again except with the Canadian troops handing out toothbrushes and hockey sticks while mugging for the camera.
The army is now doing what armies do, protecting, partolling, training and fighting. If you want a PR army, go hire the A-team.
Actually you haven't.
At best you have read my condemnation of that comparison or me saying that us invading Afghanistan was no different then the nazis invading france.
Big difference.
Aside from your boloocks I have to ask why do you hate Africans?
Is it because they are black? Are you a racists? Why did you not support full scale invasion of Ruwanda back then? Why did you not voice your support for full scsle attack when the USSR cruely invaded the peaceful taliban students who only wanted tostudy islam in peace?
Did you call for Canada to lead the invasion into Iraq in Gulf 1? In somalia did yopu support us killing every single living human in the cities to bring peace?
How comimited are you?
Can you even think about a way you can achieve any peace peacefully?
You are so predictable it's depressing.
Nuff said! There is no point in debating with your little revisionist, fantasy world.
When the Soviets invaded at "the request" of a small cabel of communists in kabul, the Taliban was not even invented. The Taliban were in Pakistan, never entered Afghanistan in any manner until after the soviets withdrew. The Taliban never received any western assistance, or fought the Russians. In fact the Taliban were just another minor obscure peshwar faction until they entered Afghanistan.
RUEZ
Although I know the answer that is an excellant embarrassing, rherotical question.