T.O. councillor wants army to battle gang violence

yeah sure buddy, use the army to get into gunfights with civilians.. very nice..

i think facism is dead now, so take your Mussolini ideas somewhere else, thanks

What. Someone in Ontario isn't buying enough police?
Couldn't be that premier those Toron-Tards voted in would it?

there is police there but they have run into some serious problems

- one involves fear in community , victims and witnesses are affaird to talk out of fear they will be targeted so for some murders no one is charged or convicted

- another police aren't really respected by certain urban comunities in toronto .

- also a busy drug trade especially crack cocaine and easy access to illegal hand guns coming from states


but military ? as the solution to this i think not .

And in their spare time maybe they can clear a little snow too.

Hey, I've got and idea that "may be a little out there". Try getting your MP's to vote for stiffer penalties for gun offenses. That way, maybe these poor, disenfranchised, gangbangers could be put into a facitlity that controls their animalistic urge to kill, maim and terrorize the general population.

There's nothing better for the rehabilitation of these little savages than the prospect of having their brown eye violated regularly by a warm cuddly roomy named bubba for the next 10 years.

Stiffer penalities isn't the whole of the answer. As proof I refer you to our lower crime rate then the US which has stricter penalties.

We need better rehabilitation for young and first time offenders coupled with increased penalities for repeat and habitual offenders.

Stiffer penalities isn't the whole of the answer. As proof I refer you to our lower crime rate then the US which has stricter penalties.

We need better rehabilitation for young and first time offenders coupled with increased penalities for repeat and habitual offenders.

Oh shove your rehabilitation crap, build more jails and fill them up.

Sounds like the CPC crime bill would have helped here, with it's manditory gun crime sentences and it's harder line on crime.

Perhaps Toronto should vote for some party that takes a harder line on crime, rather than always crying for help.

Stiffer penalities isn't the whole of the answer. As proof I refer you to our lower crime rate then the US which has stricter penalties.

We need better rehabilitation for young and first time offenders coupled with increased penalities for repeat and habitual offenders.

I'm all for rehabilitation for the young ones and maybe in special circumstances older first time offenders, but after that screw them. If they want to be like their gun toting, drug dealing, idols they can learn first hand what it's like in a prison for long periods of incarceration.

Then we can run a scared straight program like New Jersey and make it mandatrory for these wannabe gangsters to go and see how their idols really live in prison.

Stiffer penalities isn't the whole of the answer. As proof I refer you to our lower crime rate then the US which has stricter penalties.

We need better rehabilitation for young and first time offenders coupled with increased penalities for repeat and habitual offenders.

I'm all for rehabilitation for the young ones and maybe in special circumstances older first time offenders, but after that screw them. If they want to be like their gun toting, drug dealing, idols they can learn first hand what it's like in a prison for long periods of incarceration.

Then we can run a scared straight program like New Jersey and make it mandatrory for these wannabe gangsters to go and see how their idols really live in prison.

Agreed for most of it.

The problem I see is the inherent contradiction that sees Canada with an almost universal lower crime rate the the US depite lax penalities and less gun ownership.

If the reason for that is our lax penalities then we will achieve the revese of lowering crimes by instituting harsher penalities.

it's all about the removal of the trigger finder upon conviction....done and done, if these fuckers can't pull the trigger, no more problem


humm, a lesson from the muslem world toned down a bit for Canadian society.

The problem is simple, get rid of the "Liberal" jail terms and start putting these fuckers in jail.

Once they show up in court they get some community service or a light sentence and are back out on the street.

Put them away. Gang related offenses should be delt with a heavy hand.

I think I made the argument that harsher penalties will not achieve that goal.

I say we set up a treaty with Mexico. We hold them here for a few years, if they show no sign of progress, send them to a real jail.