Liberals hope to ban firearms used in Polytechnique, Dawson College shootings: sources

Quite a list. Some I expected, but i didn't expect the Ruger Mini-14 or rifles over 10KJ. That'll mean many longer range rifles, even if they are bolt action.

I expected the Rugar Mini-14. That's the weapon used at Polytechnique. Liberals said they want to ban "assault style weapons". My recommendation to them is to ban tactical version. The Rugar Mini-14 has 3 primary variants: tactical, ranch, and mini-thirty. My point is differences between the first two. Tactical has features designed to kill people, not hunt wildlife or control wildlife on a farm.
- Pistol grip and folding stock allows a weapon to be fired inside a confined space, such as from the cab of a pickup truck. Your not allowed to shoot game from inside a vehicle, you're required to get out. This ensures you can determine the movement in forest is game, and not a person. Pistol grip and folding stock exists to violate that law.
- Flash suppressor ensures you can maintain aim over multiple rapid shots.
- Shock absorber stock allows multiple rapid shots.

I wasn't expecting the 10kJ thing either. Exactly which weapons will this ban? Are they used for hunting?

I wonder if they will follow the New Zealand model.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_New_Zealand

Great now the King of England is going to take over

But yet you can still have up to 20mm diameter? That’s anti-aircraft and light anti-armour gun territory! Should be 12.7mm (.50 cal) or above is banned

You know what the biggest joke about this legislation is? The absolute worst year for homicide by long gun was 65 deaths. Unfortunately the stats don't differentiate between single shot and semi-auto. So it's a pretty safe bet that the worst year ever for homicide by semi-auto rifle had fewer than 65 deaths.

Let's put that into perspective. The fed govt is going to spend a budgeted $600 million on buy backs, ads and what not for this legislation, all for fewer than 65 deaths a year. Yet they are only going to spend $250 over 5 years to "combat" gang violence, which is responsible for around 50% of all homicides in any given year.
Am I the only one who thinks there's something inherently wrong with the leftard logic on this matter?

Based on the estimated numbers of just the 11 rifles on the list, there are 124,755 of those types of rifles in the hands of Canadians. And those particular 124,755 semi-automatic rifles need to be banned because they are used in fewer than 65 homicides a year. Which of course is assuming they aren't being shot with a nice cheap Norinco or something other than one of the types on "the list".

Fewer than 65 deaths. Christ, second-hand smoke kills more Canadians every year than some fucking semi-auto rifles.

And finally, this ban is fucking MEANINGLESS except to the law abiding. The Akwesasne reserve is a goddam flood gate for firearms into Canada. Unless the fed does something about that, then all they're doing is making sure only criminals will have these rifles. Funny how all these leftard laws tend to make life easier for criminals while somehow either punishing the law-abiding or making them easier victims for the criminals they keep making life easier for.

Seriously man, what the fuck kind of govt essentially tells it's citizens they simply have to put up with home invaders and shit? Think about this for a second. If someone has broken into your home while you're at home and you plan on defending it and your family, the govt actually holds YOU to a higher fucking standard than they hold the police to.
Some asshole breaks into my home at 3AM and wakes me up in the process. At that point I'm disoriented and pissed right off but I'm still supposed to assess their intent and possible weapons. Meanwhile, cops jacked up on caffeine, white sugar and who knows what else can shoot the moment they "fear for their lives". But when someone breaks into my home while I'm home, fear of dying or my family being murdered don't matter one whit.

The final irony is Groper is going to let provinces and municipalities determine how to treat handguns as opposed to more federal legislation and yet handguns are a far bigger problem when it comes to homicides in Canada than semi-auto rifles.

Can't wait to see Toronto proudly proclaim they've banned handguns and then watch as the homicide rate doesn't even tick down one notch. And before anyone actually thinks I'm hoping it happens, the "can't wait to see" part is called sarcasm. Because I KNOW it won't change one goddam thing in TO. I mean look how well it's worked in Chicago, Detroit and Baltimore, to name a few. The latter two of which have consistently been on the list of the 50 Most Dangerous Cities in the World for years.

This is my surprise. They campaigned on 'assault weapons' ban, but the Mini-14 looks no different than a Ruger-10/22. I think things like the "Ranch Rifle" should be exempt. It is a tool.

Banning the Tac version makes sense, but the others don't. I guess we'll have to read the actual legislation when it comes out to see.



I actually thought all these were already banned. Aren't they?



Things like a .50 BMG or a 460 Weatherby Magnum most likely. These are mostly sport weapons for people who like target shooting from a different postal code.

Not cheap weapons either, or I'd have bought one by now. Hunters just use a Remington 700 or anything that fires a .308 or 7.62mm round. They are more affordable rifles and ammo.

Well, Trudeau really fucked things up today!



https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudea ... -1.5552131

AR-15s were illegal for hunting there Sherlock.

Aside from cosmetic differences there is no difference in function.

So you just want to ban black guns.

Aside from cosmetic differences there is no difference in function.

So you just want to ban black guns.

(I don't think he is a proponent of the ban)

Meanwhile your police agencies will not at all pause as they arm themselves with actual military weapons and transform into an authoritarian paramilitary.

Coincidentally, disarming Canadians will make the job of the paramilitaries easier when they get their orders to do whatever the hell it is you people would never allow if you were armed.

Federal government's gun strategy won't work without a border crackdown, experts say

I am not a fan of blaming what crazy people do on the others who have been law abiding the whole time.



Taking away weapons that are classified as 'Restricted' makes no difference to hunters like me. Canada is still as armed as ever.

No, Canada is not as armed as ever.

Switzerland is as armed as ever. The rest of us are being disarmed bit by bit.

armed civilians don’t prevent government from doing anything in Canada or the US. Or any other country for that matter.

https://thegunblog.ca/facts-stats/

From the above article:



So, 0.006% of the firearms in Canada are affected.

Canada is as armed as ever.