Farage claims pro-Brexit momentum after divisive UK voteWorld | 207251 hits | May 27 6:07 pm | Posted by: N_Fiddledog  Britain's governing Conservative Party was all but wiped out in the European Parliament election as voters sick of the country's stalled European Union exit flocked to uncompromisingly pro-Brexit or pro-EU parties.Commentsview comments in forum Page 1 2 You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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I wonder if those wanting another Brexit vote will grab a clue from that.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5320443/eu-p ... ionalists/
Le Pen's party beat Macron's in France. That may be a sign of things to come.
Elsewhere in the EU elections there was this:
https://globalnews.ca/news/5320443/eu-p ... ionalists/
Le Pen's party beat Macron's in France. That may be a sign of things to come.
In some ways yes. More hard and far right parties won as did hard and far left parties. Centrists and moderates lost. That seems to be the trend for the foreseeable future.
Do you notice, they don't publish a table of results, and 'almost a third',
instead of "31%", much much more than anyone else.
See, 31% from one party is a 'divise win', but 38% for the Lieberals is
a 'resounding Lieberal majority victory'.
'single issue party'... has been in existence for 6 weeks.
One thing about the lefties, they know how to sling the bullshit. and how to 'lie'.
The results of EU elections are very rarely mirrored in national elections.
The EU past is no mirror of the current situation where populism is currently sweeping Europe.
I think the question you really want to be asking of history is can populist movements be successful. Let's ask Trump.
The greenie gains seem to be roughly parallel to the rise of "vanguard" Democrats such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The stronger trend, though, and still seemingly dismissed in the press, is that multiple countries, most strongly Britain, have chosen to go with Trumpian nationalist parties, taking aim at the supranational governing body that is supposedly all in for what's euphemistically known as "European integration," which actually means rule by unelected European Union bureaucrats over the elected leaders in one's supposed democracy. That's a fine pickle for that self-congratulatory body to find itself in — Europe's voters have top-loaded it with enemies of the entire project.
Why does that happen? Well, because countries are being submerged and ignored when they try to change anything. They're being flooded with illegal migrants, for one; people can neither assimilate nor be happy in the countries they are entering illegally, and these people are rapidly harvesting these countries of their resources and paying them back by committing terrorism against them. They're seeing their economic growth going anemic by the E.U.'s hideous overbearing regulations, and some, such as Greece, are suffering from Europe's Germany-led monetary policy, which cuts them off from their competitive advantage of a weak currency. It was nice to see Greece's voters throw its hard-left socialist party Syriza out in this bargain.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... urope.html
Leave the EU won. Remain in the EU lost.
This time decisively.
Chew on it.
The results of EU elections are very rarely mirrored in national elections.
The EU past is no mirror of the current situation where populism is currently sweeping Europe.
I think the question you really want to be asking of history is can populist movements be successful. Let's ask Trump.
When LePen becomes President of France or Farage the PM of Britain then you'll have a point. Until that actually happens in a national election, instead of them being mere also-rans again the way they've been multiple times already, your wishes mean nothing. You also keep discounting altogether that the left is just as likely, if not more, than the right to take power away from the center, even though it's happened multiple times in other places like Spain and Greece and again in Germany with the Greens. I don't know why you keep doing this, other than your innate ego-centrism once again making you incapable of understanding at all that waves can go in multiple directions and not just in the one you prefer.
Negative populist movements that appeal to the worst in people always have a certain degree of success. But that's dependent on who their opposition is much more than anything they're proposing. Trump won because Hillary Clinton was quite literally the single worst politician the Dems could have possibly chosen at that moment in time. Almost any other Dem, at least one much smarter on their feet and able to hit back at Trump, would have mopped up the floor with him. The existence of Trump is as much the fault of the Dems for their lack of imagination and their "it's her turn!" bullshit as it is the fault of the GOP for their willing embrace of conspiracist evil and decades-worth of open worship of
Mammonite scum like Trump.
When LePen becomes President of France or Farage the PM of Britain then you'll have a point.
I'm not sure you understand my point. Perhaps you should hear it before you decide it doesn't exist.
Nationalistic populism is on the the rise in Europe. The fact the names you mention won in the MEP elections supports that.
You also have the evidence of Hungary, Italy, and I think Austria and Poland where Nationalist leaders did win.
We don't have to wait for Le Pen to be President of France or Farage to decide to run for leadership of the UK. The EU may crumble before that happens. Which makes me wonder, would you settle for that as support for the idea that Nationalistic populism is on the rise in Europe?
Elsewhere in the EU elections there was this:
https://globalnews.ca/news/5320443/eu-p ... ionalists/
Le Pen's party beat Macron's in France. That may be a sign of things to come.
No wonder Macron wants to outlaw nationalist and populist parties.
When LePen becomes President of France or Farage the PM of Britain then you'll have a point.
I'm not sure you understand my point. Perhaps you should hear it before you decide it doesn't exist.
Nationalistic populism is on the the rise in Europe. The fact the names you mention won in the MEP elections supports that.
You also have the evidence of Hungary, Italy, and I think Austria and Poland where Nationalist leaders did win.
We don't have to wait for Le Pen to be President of France or Farage to decide to run for leadership of the UK. The EU may crumble before that happens. Which makes me wonder, would you settle for that as support for the idea that Nationalistic populism is on the rise in Europe?
Will you settle for the idea that this populism is nowhere near as strong as you think it is if LePen loses yet another election and Farage doesn't even get ten seats in the next British parliament? You can't claim it's on the rise when it gets defeated as often as it wins. Or when it only wins in minor-league countries (with a tradition of fascism) like Hungary or Poland but consistently loses in the huge countries like France, Germany, and Britain.
Now, does Marine Le Pen have to become president of France to prove nationalism and populism is on the rise in Europe? I'm not sure it does. So much more is happening in Europe. How does that work anyway? Can she win the election but lose the Presidency because there are so many other parties in France they can just collaborate against her? Have to ask Martin. Does she have to win the majority against all the rest of them? That's kind of asking a lot to support a point that should already be obvious.
The big one now though, is what's going to happen when Britain does actually walk away from the EU in October. That's when things can really start to happen.