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As Russian Military Moves into Thawing Arctic,

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As Russian Military Moves into Thawing Arctic, U.S. Strategy Shifts


Military | 207663 hits | Mar 11 9:17 am | Posted by: DrCaleb
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Climate change is causing the U.S. military to alter its plans in the Arctic as Russia takes advantage of a warming world to deploy radar and personnel in thawing regions, two generals told a Senate panel yesterday.

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  1. by avatar llama66
    Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:03 pm
    Great, the pieces for the Great War of the North are moving into place.

  2. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:45 pm
    The Arctic is not thawing.

  3. by avatar llama66
    Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:49 pm
    The Empirical evidence would state otherwise, ships have begun to use the Northwest Passage.
    https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/shippi ... ly-triples

  4. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:58 pm
    "llama66" said
    The Empirical evidence would state otherwise, ships have begun to use the Northwest Passage.
    https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/shippi ... ly-triples


    The actual data shows that ship traffic in the NWP is still very rare.

    https://map.astd.is/share/ea58baecfc69

    The other thing to be considered is that there's more going on in the Arctic these days than back in 1990.

    Most of the ship traffic is government vessels going north to study global warming and it would appear that they're using their own research activities as 'proof' that there's more traffic in the Arctic.

  5. by Thanos
    Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:17 pm
    Have these generals been fired yet for speaking in a manner contrary to official administration policy? :?

  6. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:20 pm
    "Thanos" said
    Have these generals been fired yet for speaking in a manner contrary to official administration policy? :?


    Meh, they just won't get promoted is all. Terminal rank is the operational phrase for some of these people.

  7. by avatar DrCaleb
    Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:08 pm
    "BartSimpson" said
    The Arctic is not thawing.


    ROTFL

  8. by avatar bootlegga
    Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:53 pm
    "BartSimpson" said
    The Arctic is not thawing.






    "BartSimpson" said
    The Empirical evidence would state otherwise, ships have begun to use the Northwest Passage.
    https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/shippi ... ly-triples


    The actual data shows that ship traffic in the NWP is still very rare.

    https://map.astd.is/share/ea58baecfc69

    The other thing to be considered is that there's more going on in the Arctic these days than back in 1990.

    Maritime traffic in the Canadian Arctic has exploded in the last 30 years:

    Nonetheless, preliminary federal data shows the Arctic is indeed opening to more ships: the number of voyages through the federally monitored area reached an all-time high in 2018, up more than 400 per cent during the past three-and-a-half decades.

    Bulk carriers, tankers, tug boats, cargo ships, fishing boats, cruise ships and even personal yachts all contributed to the rise in traffic, which has coincided with increased economic diversification in Nunavut. Mining, for example, now accounts for 21.5 per cent of the territory’s economy, up from less than four per cent a decade ago, according to the rating agency DBRS Ltd.


    https://business.financialpost.com/comm ... -the-north


    "BartSimpson" said
    Most of the ship traffic is government vessels going north to study global warming and it would appear that they're using their own research activities as 'proof' that there's more traffic in the Arctic.


    Not entirely true - now you've got huge tankers, freighters and even cruise ships like the Crystal Serenity in the Arctic in the summer months.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... ommunities

  9. by avatar stratos
    Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:56 pm
    Maybe someone will find that North West Passage people have been looking for. ;)

  10. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:22 pm
    The sea ice coverage in the Arctic *right now* is right on par with where it was in 1981.

    https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2019/02/

  11. by avatar llama66
    Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:33 pm
    "stratos" said
    Maybe someone will find that North West Passage people have been looking for. ;)

    Found it!!!

  12. by avatar DrCaleb
    Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:37 pm
    "BartSimpson" said
    The sea ice coverage in the Arctic *right now* is right on par with where it was in 1981.

    https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2019/02/


    But the concentration (thickness) isn't.

    Sea Ice 1981 2019.png

    https://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/bist

  13. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:23 pm
    That round dark spot of ice was likely very thick.

  14. by avatar DrCaleb
    Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:24 pm
    And where is it now?



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