Our resident right wing propagandist conveniently leaves out the fact that the man who drove his car into the crowd killing 1 and injuring 19 is a white supremacist and registered Republican.
This is the result of the Trump administration's incessant dog-whistling to white supremacists throughout his election campaign and most recently his administration's ridiculous witch hunt aimed exclusively at stopping supposed "anti-white discrimination." Reap what you sow, Donald.
The white supremacists and neo-nazis love him though:
Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists applaud Donald Trump's response to deadly violence in Virginia
Maya Oppenheim Sunday 13 August 2017 15:59 BST Neo-nazis have applauded Donald Trump?s response to the violent clashes between white supremacists and anti-fascists which swept Charlottesville and left three people dead.
The US President has refused to condemn the actions of the neo-Nazis, skinheads, and members of the Ku Klux Klan who descended on the Virginia city on Saturday yelling racial abuse, brandishing flaming torches, carrying assault rifles and wearing paramilitary clothing.
Speaking from a stage in a golf clubhouse, President Trump decried ?violence on all sides? rather than explicitly taking aim at far-right extremists.
?We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides,? he said. ?On many sides.?
The billionaire property developer then left the conference, turning a deaf ear to reporters' shouted questions, including whether he wanted the support of white nationalists who have allied themselves with him or whether he deemed the violence to be terrorism.
White supremacists clash with anti-fascist campaigners ahead of Virginia rally
But while Mr Trump has sparked widespread condemnation from across the political spectrum for failing to denounce the largest gathering of white nationalists in America for decades, his response has been actively celebrated by neo-Nazis and white supremacists.
The founder of Daily Stormer, an American neo-Nazi and white supremacist site which considers itself to be part of the alt-right movement, hailed the fact President Trump ?outright refused to disavow? the gathering of white supremacists.
?People saying he cucked are shills and kikes,? said its editor Andrew Anglin. ?He did the opposite of cuck. He refused to even mention anything to do with us. When reporters were screaming at him about White Nationalism he just walked out of the room.?
Another Daily Stormer commenter said: ?Trump comments were good. He didn't attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us. He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate... on both sides! So he implied the Antifa are haters.?
Antifa, shorthand for antifascist organisations, refers to a loose coalition of decentralised, grassroots groups opposed to the many guises of fascism which began in Europe in the 1920s.
?There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all,? the Trump supporter continued. ?He said he loves us all. Also refused to answer a question about white nationalists supporting him. No condemnation at all. When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.?
Richard Spencer, a leading white supremacist who rose to fame for being punched at an anti-Trump protest, was similarly supportive of President Trump?s response to the violence which erupted between those opposed to the removal of a statue from a local park of Civil War Confederate General Robert E Lee and counter-protesters.
After Mr Trump tweeted earlier on Saturday ?We ALL must be united and condemn all that hate stands for,? Spencer, who is credited with coining the term ?alt-right?, replied: ?Did Trump just denounce Antifa??
Charlottesville, Virginia Protests
Nevertheless, it would be wrong to assume all white supremacists have celebrated President Trump?s reaction to the violence. David Duke, the former head of the Ku Klux Klan who found himself at the centre of controversy after Mr Trump failed to immediately condemn his endorsement during the 2016 presidential campaign, was less effusive.
Mr Duke, who in Charlottesville, said: ?I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror and remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists?.
He had been responding to President Trump saying: ?We ALL must be united and condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Let's come together as one!?
Chaos broke out on the streets of Charlottesville as tensions spilled into street clashes with rocks and pepper spray. A 32-year-old women was killed after a car was driven at speed into a group of anti-fascist protesters and two policemen died in a helicopter crash while taking part in efforts to restore peace to the area.
A state of emergency was announced by the local and state governments with police declaring the ?Unite the Right? rally an unlawful assembly and demanding the crowds to disperse.
Fellow Republicans have slammed President Trump, who spent his presidential bid repeatedly attacking Obama and Clinton for failing to label terrorist attacks as such, for his response to the furore.
?Mr President - we must call evil by its name,? said Republican Senator Cory Gardner, chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
The alt-right - a political movement which has been accused of racism, antisemitism and misogyny and of sharing an ideology with far-right parties such as the French National Front - gained increasing prominence during Mr Trump?s presidential bid and has continued to do so since his arrival in the White House.
During the campaign, Hillary Clinton accused President Trump of making the alt-right ?mainstream? and attacked the movement as ?racist ideas ... anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-women ideas?.
White House Chief Strategist, Steve Bannon, is the former executive chair of far-right online publication Breitbart News which he described as ?the platform for the alt-right? last year.
While President Trump has attempted to distance himself from the so-called ?alt-right? movement, its members have put their weight behind the former reality TV star and heralded him as their leader.
?We are determined to take this country back. We're gonna fulfil the promises of Donald Trump,? Mr Duke said in an interview with The Indianapolis Star on Saturday in Charlottesville. ?That's why we voted for Donald Trump because he said he's going to take our country back.?
Our resident right wing propagandist conveniently leaves out the fact that the man who drove his car into the crowd killing 1 and injuring 19 is a white supremacist and registered Republican.
Fields has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and had been on anti-psychotic medication, so please stop demonizing this guy with what is clearly a mental health issue.
Let's check that out. Let's see who the lying propagandist is here.
Here's your claim:
"The whole "liberals are slow to condemn terrorism" is just another right wing lie."
OK...
We know the term "Lone wolf," because why? How about "workplace violence?" Or remember Justin's "Root causes?" How was Obama condemning Islamic terrorism when he wouldn't even use the term Islamic Terrorism?
Remember that Bernie Sanders fan who shot the Republicans at their baseball practice for a charity event?
Was he a terrorist, because as I recall your side wasn't too sure about that at the time. Weren't we told by you guys to be more concerned about his mental state?
What you're saying is a lie, Beave. So what does that make you?
No no let's be clear here. Trump refused to denounce white supremacists. He didn't forget to, he REFUSED TO. Then he tried to avoid criticism by having his spokespeople and written press releases do it for him. Most recently he's gone back to saying to equivocation between racists and anti-racists. Obama never refused to denounce ISIS or Al Qaeda or say "borh sides are equally to blame" whenever there's an attack. He never equivocated like Trump is.
The "workplace violence" meme is right wing spun. As for mental health etc. well when the shoe fits. Maybe this will turn out to be mental health but it would be pretty comical and telling to see you use that defence now after years of watching you lose your shit over that defence.
It is true that Obama calibrated his rhetoric on the subject of terrorism to a degree even his closest advisers sometimes found frustrating. They hoped that, on occasion, he would at least acknowledge the legitimacy of Americans? fears about Islamist terrorism before proceeding to explain those fears away. But Obama had a plausible rationale for avoiding the sort of language his eventual successor demanded that he deploy. He believed that any sort of rhetorical overreaction to the threat of Islamist terrorism by an American president would create panic, and would also spark a xenophobic response that would do damage to America?s image, and to Americans Muslims themselves.
He also took a view opposite to that of Donald Trump: Bringing Islam itself to the forefront of the conversation about terrorism would create a backlash in the Muslim world that would do real harm to the armed anti-terrorism campaigns he was then leading. Obama, over the eight years he served as president, ordered the killings of more Muslim terrorists, in more Muslim countries, than any of his predecessors. On this subject, he spoke so softly he could barely be heard, but he carried a lethal stick. His goal was to eradicate Muslim terrorists without alienating the great mass of Muslims unsympathetic to the theology and tactics of those terrorists.
I spoke with Obama on a number of occasions about the dilemmas he faced in his fight against Islamist terror. I was one of those who thought he was rhetorically wanting, but I also came to understand that he labored under no illusions about the nature of the threat, and of the problem afflicting Islamic civilization. There is a need, he told me once, for ?Islam as a whole? to challenge the radicals, ?to challenge that interpretation of Islam, to isolate it, and to undergo a vigorous discussion within their community about how Islam works as part of a peaceful, modern society.? Refracting this conflict through the prism of a ?clash of civilizations? of the sort imagined by the late political scientist Samuel Huntington would do no one any good. ?I do not persuade peaceful, tolerant Muslims to engage in that debate if I?m not sensitive to their concern that they are being tagged with a broad brush,? Obama said....
Oh Jesus, after the whole goddam Republican Party went nuts and he more or less got forced to condemn the neo-nazis... there goes the Orange Idiot blaming the "alt-left" too within 24 hours... the fucking piece of shit in charge just makes things up in his head to distract everyone and still no one of matter calls him on it!
Well Trump did one thing. "Drained the swamp" and exposed the muck underneath and the scum on top.
Oh Jesus, after the whole goddam Republican Party went nuts and he more or less got forced to condemn the neo-nazis... there goes the Orange Idiot blaming the "alt-left" too within 24 hours...
Do you know why?
Because it was both sides. It was the extremists from the alt-right, but anti fa, and
BLM were in the middle of it as well. The Alt Left.
Also somebody told the police to stand down when antifa arrived. The violence was set up from above. Trump should have pointed the finger there as well.
Beyond shameful. Way beyond. There is no but, but.... ya got stormtroopers marching by torchlight chanting nazi slogans and you want to deliver an excuse? ANY excuse? Just as low as Trump. No shame whatsoever.
This is the result of the Trump administration's incessant dog-whistling to white supremacists throughout his election campaign and most recently his administration's ridiculous witch hunt aimed exclusively at stopping supposed "anti-white discrimination." Reap what you sow, Donald.
The white supremacists and neo-nazis love him though:
Maya Oppenheim
Sunday 13 August 2017 15:59 BST
Neo-nazis have applauded Donald Trump?s response to the violent clashes between white supremacists and anti-fascists which swept Charlottesville and left three people dead.
The US President has refused to condemn the actions of the neo-Nazis, skinheads, and members of the Ku Klux Klan who descended on the Virginia city on Saturday yelling racial abuse, brandishing flaming torches, carrying assault rifles and wearing paramilitary clothing.
Speaking from a stage in a golf clubhouse, President Trump decried ?violence on all sides? rather than explicitly taking aim at far-right extremists.
?We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides,? he said. ?On many sides.?
The billionaire property developer then left the conference, turning a deaf ear to reporters' shouted questions, including whether he wanted the support of white nationalists who have allied themselves with him or whether he deemed the violence to be terrorism.
White supremacists clash with anti-fascist campaigners ahead of Virginia rally
But while Mr Trump has sparked widespread condemnation from across the political spectrum for failing to denounce the largest gathering of white nationalists in America for decades, his response has been actively celebrated by neo-Nazis and white supremacists.
The founder of Daily Stormer, an American neo-Nazi and white supremacist site which considers itself to be part of the alt-right movement, hailed the fact President Trump ?outright refused to disavow? the gathering of white supremacists.
?People saying he cucked are shills and kikes,? said its editor Andrew Anglin. ?He did the opposite of cuck. He refused to even mention anything to do with us. When reporters were screaming at him about White Nationalism he just walked out of the room.?
Another Daily Stormer commenter said: ?Trump comments were good. He didn't attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us. He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate... on both sides! So he implied the Antifa are haters.?
Antifa, shorthand for antifascist organisations, refers to a loose coalition of decentralised, grassroots groups opposed to the many guises of fascism which began in Europe in the 1920s.
?There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all,? the Trump supporter continued. ?He said he loves us all. Also refused to answer a question about white nationalists supporting him. No condemnation at all. When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.?
Richard Spencer, a leading white supremacist who rose to fame for being punched at an anti-Trump protest, was similarly supportive of President Trump?s response to the violence which erupted between those opposed to the removal of a statue from a local park of Civil War Confederate General Robert E Lee and counter-protesters.
After Mr Trump tweeted earlier on Saturday ?We ALL must be united and condemn all that hate stands for,? Spencer, who is credited with coining the term ?alt-right?, replied: ?Did Trump just denounce Antifa??
Charlottesville, Virginia Protests
Nevertheless, it would be wrong to assume all white supremacists have celebrated President Trump?s reaction to the violence. David Duke, the former head of the Ku Klux Klan who found himself at the centre of controversy after Mr Trump failed to immediately condemn his endorsement during the 2016 presidential campaign, was less effusive.
Mr Duke, who in Charlottesville, said: ?I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror and remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists?.
He had been responding to President Trump saying: ?We ALL must be united and condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Let's come together as one!?
Chaos broke out on the streets of Charlottesville as tensions spilled into street clashes with rocks and pepper spray. A 32-year-old women was killed after a car was driven at speed into a group of anti-fascist protesters and two policemen died in a helicopter crash while taking part in efforts to restore peace to the area.
A state of emergency was announced by the local and state governments with police declaring the ?Unite the Right? rally an unlawful assembly and demanding the crowds to disperse.
Fellow Republicans have slammed President Trump, who spent his presidential bid repeatedly attacking Obama and Clinton for failing to label terrorist attacks as such, for his response to the furore.
?Mr President - we must call evil by its name,? said Republican Senator Cory Gardner, chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
The alt-right - a political movement which has been accused of racism, antisemitism and misogyny and of sharing an ideology with far-right parties such as the French National Front - gained increasing prominence during Mr Trump?s presidential bid and has continued to do so since his arrival in the White House.
During the campaign, Hillary Clinton accused President Trump of making the alt-right ?mainstream? and attacked the movement as ?racist ideas ... anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-women ideas?.
White House Chief Strategist, Steve Bannon, is the former executive chair of far-right online publication Breitbart News which he described as ?the platform for the alt-right? last year.
While President Trump has attempted to distance himself from the so-called ?alt-right? movement, its members have put their weight behind the former reality TV star and heralded him as their leader.
?We are determined to take this country back. We're gonna fulfil the promises of Donald Trump,? Mr Duke said in an interview with The Indianapolis Star on Saturday in Charlottesville. ?That's why we voted for Donald Trump because he said he's going to take our country back.?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 90786.html
I am not, and I said no such thing.
http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/14/hy ... ottesville
"Hypocrisy, on many sides, in Charlottesville"
Don't care about Martins stupid mental health ploy. It's not fooling anyone but him
The whole "liberals are slow to condemn terrorism" is just another right wing lie. Need I remind you who was president when Bin laden was killed?
Let's check that out. Let's see who the lying propagandist is here.
Here's your claim:
"The whole "liberals are slow to condemn terrorism" is just another right wing lie."
OK...
We know the term "Lone wolf," because why? How about "workplace violence?" Or remember Justin's "Root causes?" How was Obama condemning Islamic terrorism when he wouldn't even use the term Islamic Terrorism?
Remember that Bernie Sanders fan who shot the Republicans at their baseball practice for a charity event?
Was he a terrorist, because as I recall your side wasn't too sure about that at the time. Weren't we told by you guys to be more concerned about his mental state?
What you're saying is a lie, Beave. So what does that make you?
The "workplace violence" meme is right wing spun. As for mental health etc. well when the shoe fits. Maybe this will turn out to be mental health but it would be pretty comical and telling to see you use that defence now after years of watching you lose your shit over that defence.
He also took a view opposite to that of Donald Trump: Bringing Islam itself to the forefront of the conversation about terrorism would create a backlash in the Muslim world that would do real harm to the armed anti-terrorism campaigns he was then leading. Obama, over the eight years he served as president, ordered the killings of more Muslim terrorists, in more Muslim countries, than any of his predecessors. On this subject, he spoke so softly he could barely be heard, but he carried a lethal stick. His goal was to eradicate Muslim terrorists without alienating the great mass of Muslims unsympathetic to the theology and tactics of those terrorists.
I spoke with Obama on a number of occasions about the dilemmas he faced in his fight against Islamist terror. I was one of those who thought he was rhetorically wanting, but I also came to understand that he labored under no illusions about the nature of the threat, and of the problem afflicting Islamic civilization. There is a need, he told me once, for ?Islam as a whole? to challenge the radicals, ?to challenge that interpretation of Islam, to isolate it, and to undergo a vigorous discussion within their community about how Islam works as part of a peaceful, modern society.? Refracting this conflict through the prism of a ?clash of civilizations? of the sort imagined by the late political scientist Samuel Huntington would do no one any good. ?I do not persuade peaceful, tolerant Muslims to engage in that debate if I?m not sensitive to their concern that they are being tagged with a broad brush,? Obama said....
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theatla ... le/536703/
the fucking piece of shit in charge just makes things up in his head to distract everyone and still no one of matter calls him on it!
Well Trump did one thing. "Drained the swamp" and exposed the muck underneath and the scum on top.
Do you know why?
Because it was both sides. It was the extremists from the alt-right, but anti fa, and
BLM were in the middle of it as well. The Alt Left.
Also somebody told the police to stand down when antifa arrived. The violence was set up from above. Trump should have pointed the finger there as well.
Just as low as Trump. No shame whatsoever.
Has a history of violence.
This is a mental health issue.