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Solar Power Will Kill Coal Faster Than You Thin

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Solar Power Will Kill Coal Faster Than You Think


Business | 208146 hits | Jun 19 6:11 am | Posted by: DrCaleb
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Solar power, once so costly it only made economic sense in spaceships, is becoming cheap enough that it will push coal and even natural-gas plants out of business faster than previously forecast. That’s the conclusion of a Bloomberg New Energy Finance

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  1. by avatar N_Fiddledog
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:51 am
    If you can't see that article I'll give a spoiler.

    They hope to kill coal and live in a solar wonderland by 2040. Good luck with that.

  2. by Thanos
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:55 am
    You mean a world where overall emissions drop by almost 40%, where miners don't die from mine cave-ins and black lungs disease before age fifty, and millions of people in third-world cities don't die of respiratory failure caused by smog? What a horrible thing to wish for! :roll:

  3. by avatar Hyack
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:57 am
    linkie no workie.....maybe Bloomberg does.....


  4. by avatar N_Fiddledog
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:59 am
    In the meantime here's what they're saying in Australia where they've been playing the "green" energy game and losing.

    Climate change zealots need to get real

    "WELL, now we know.

    The biggest deniers in the whole climate change debate are those who think we can have affordable power, lower emissions and a reliable network.

    We can’t.

    And after they almost sleepwalked their way to defeat at the last election, it would appear Coalition MPs have found their voices again on the issue that has defined Australian political debate over the past 15 years or more.

    There’s no doubt that any policy that lowers Australia’s CO2 emissions will increase the cost of power and any move away from baseload capacity will make our network more unreliable."

    Forget the movie, this is the real “inconvenient truth” that climate change zealots have never wanted to acknowledge. For too long, the views of the Zeitgeist have dominated debate and anyone daring to question any aspect of climate change was branded a sceptic. Scientific fact or not, any issue that’s galvanised the Left to the point of hysteria makes me sceptical that it’s more about the politics than anything else.

    Australia contributes 1.4 per cent of global emissions. That’s right — four fifths of bugger all. But for many years we have been told that we must lead the way in reducing global emissions or suffer a loss of international standing for failing to do our bit. I don’t buy this and never have. We’re just the mugs who take these things seriously when so many don’t.

    Take Kyoto for example; we didn’t even sign it yet we met the targets. How about the refugee issue? We’re one of only 27 countries in the world that offers resettlement to refugees while 140 odd countries do not.

    What’s that again about everyone doing their fair share?

    We live in one of the most competitive economic regions in the world. We are also a country rich in natural resources which has delivered us a record-breaking 26 years of economic growth.

    We will never beat our neighbours when it comes to cheap labour but Australia’s abundant energy has always been our saving grace. We are the world’s second largest exporter of thermal coal and will soon be the largest exporter of gas. We also have the world’s biggest reserves of uranium. We should be an affordable energy superpower and, 15 years ago, we were; because the power system was run to minimise price and maximise reliability. Affordable power made us highly competitive, delivered industry and jobs, and gave us all a high standard of living.

    Since then, green politics has trumped sensible economics and the result is subsidised wind farms and solar panels that make unprofitable the very coal and gas fired power stations that we need for baseload power. It’s a policy induced mess and we’re all paying the price, particularly our small to medium businesses who are doing it tough.

    If you’re a well-off greenie with solar panels on the roof, a Prius in the garage and public transport outside your door, you probably don’t mind. In high income electorates feeling good about saving the planet might matter more than keeping the cost of living down.

    For everyone else, we want to see a clean environment, good beaches, and our bush protected but we don’t think killing off our industry just to appease the UN gods and various other Lefties makes much sense, particularly when countries like China and India will massively increase, not decrease, their emissions in coming years. Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot. We’re economically shooting ourselves in the head.

    Right now, China’s emissions are 20 times those of Australia and even if they meet their Paris Agreement commitments, by 2030, China’s emissions will be 50-60 times ours. Seriously? We sell off industry and jobs in a mistaken belief the world that is acting with similar intent but it is clear they’re not, and won’t. Again, remember my refugee example and you get what I mean.

    So what about Finkel?

    It’s claimed that the Chief Scientist’s report to COAG aims to address the “trilemma” of achieving lower prices, greater security and a 28 per cent reduction in emissions by 2030. Wrong. The report is about meeting the emissions reduction aspiration (which it converts into a commitment) at the lowest cost without major interruptions to supply. It’s not about affordable, reliable power; it’s about climate change.

    As every household knows, power prices are skyrocketing and more blackouts are looming this summer because of government policy that mandates the use of intermittent (and unreliable) wind and solar power. Currently, the “renewable energy target” is 23 per cent, which means a doubling of wind generation in the next four years.

    Yet the response of Finkel is to graft a “clean energy target” onto the existing RET to achieve 42 per cent of our power supply from renewable sources by 2030. In other words, he’s proposing to solve the problems caused by too much wind and solar power by having even more wind and solar power.

    Reports out of Tuesday’s marathon party room discussion suggest that the Prime Minister’s colleagues are now in no mood to accept yet another giant step towards yet another Labor Party position. After adopting Labor’s policy on schools (Gonski 2.0) and Labor’s position on budget repair (more spending funded by a bank tax), there’s growing resistance to adopting Labor’s position on climate change (a 42 per cent renewable target versus Bill Shorten’s 50 per cent one).

    The Prime Minister has said that the alternative to Finkel is to do nothing and that nothing is not an option. So far, though, the party room is unconvinced and is reluctant to embrace a Labor-lite solution to the power crisis that could just make it worse. They won’t accept Finkel’s report as it is, with many fearing his modelling of lower power prices is about as dependable as Treasury’s modelling for a return to surplus.

    Around the world, China, India and Japan are massively investing in next generation coal fired power stations because they’re cleaner than any of the generators we have here and coal is still by far the most cost-effective way to generate reliable baseload power. If other countries can build high-efficiency, low-emission power stations to run on Australian coal, why can’t we? If it’s right for them under international agreements, how can it be wrong for us? And if the banks won’t fund them because they need ‘certainty’ then why doesn’t the government get involved?

    Clearly there’s market failure here and a risk to Australia’s energy security, as well as the capacity of our industry to remain competitive. Wasn’t market failure one of the reasons the government is spending $50 billion-plus on the NBN?

    It’s no good having fast broadband if you can’t turn it on.

  5. by avatar BRAH
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:29 am
    Solar Power is the future of clean energy until mankind darkens the skies with a Nuclear Winter in a failed attempt to stop the rise of the machines.

  6. by avatar N_Fiddledog
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:44 am
    It isn't so much that a solar powered world can't possibly be done or would be that terrible if it could be. It's what happens on the way to this possibility of climate Nirvana they tell us may be waiting in 2040 where solar might rule if we all do as we're told and don't ask too many questions.

    I suspect the one's telling us this story might not be telling us the whole truth.

    Just as a small example on the evening news today they were telling us the price of food is going up and it's because there's too much rain in California. Last year the price of food was going up and the same news was telling us it was because there wasn't enough rain in California.

    I don't know about that. I know something that has been constant. They tell us gas prices are going down, but these prices remain close to the peak in my little corner of carbon taxed British Columbia - you know...where the price of food keeps skyrocketing no matter how much rain there is in California. (I gassed up today on the border of Langley for 1.29 a litre - that's close to 5 bucks a gallon I think.)

    So I think the inflated price of gas is inflating the price of food. That's my theory. Energy prices are rising in general. And this interests me because the people who aren't going to be bothered by that too much are the rich, yet the guys who have bought into the carnival barker, snake oil sale of this are the same people boo hooing the loudest about the evil rich - oh, and the evil rich, of course. They like the idea. 'Mmm, snake oil. Yummy, yummy snake oil. Have some. Only 5 bucks a bottle. Had to raise the price, because of the rain in California.' say the evil rich and their pet media.

  7. by avatar BeaverFever
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:45 am
    "BRAH" said
    Solar Power is the future of clean energy until mankind darkens the skies with a Nuclear Winter in a failed attempt to stop the rise of the machines.





  8. by avatar BeaverFever
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:04 am

  9. by avatar N_Fiddledog
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:36 am
    Look at that ^ . Bill Maher ripping off John Oliver.

    Here's Steven Crowder reacting to John Oliver when he made the same points as Bill.



  10. by avatar bootlegga
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:34 pm
    "Thanos" said
    You mean a world where overall emissions drop by almost 40%, where miners don't die from mine cave-ins and black lungs disease before age fifty, and millions of people in third-world cities don't die of respiratory failure caused by smog? What a horrible thing to wish for! :roll:


    I'm not sold on solar, mostly because it can't produce power on demand like natural gas or nuclear, but I agree coal needs to go. The long term health care savings alone are worth it, nevermind the other benefits you mentioned.

  11. by avatar DrCaleb
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:18 pm
    "bootlegga" said
    You mean a world where overall emissions drop by almost 40%, where miners don't die from mine cave-ins and black lungs disease before age fifty, and millions of people in third-world cities don't die of respiratory failure caused by smog? What a horrible thing to wish for! :roll:


    I'm not sold on solar, mostly because it can't produce power on demand like natural gas or nuclear, but I agree coal needs to go. The long term health care savings alone are worth it, nevermind the other benefits you mentioned.

    Solar (or wind) + a storage component; like batteries, molten salt or stored hydro, can help for times like 'night'.

    https://arstechnica.com/business/2017/0 ... t-is-free/

    Some places are running on 100% renewable now. Costa Rica, Paraguay, Iceland, and Albania are just for starters. Different strategies, but successful!

    https://www.sciencealert.com/costa-rica ... s-straight

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... tiveenergy

    http://news.stanford.edu/news/2011/janu ... 12611.html

  12. by avatar Coach85
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:55 pm
    Having recently dabbled in solar, I think it's a great solution. However, I think it's a good solution for individual homes, not for the utilities to create a solar 'farm'.

    I just put a solar power system in my garage at the cottage. It cost me less than $700 for the panel, controller, wire, battery and inverter and with just one battery, the garage can stay completely powered for days without intense sunlight. The inverter allows me to run everything from a table saw/Shop Vac to a little radio and 4 lights.

    We'll be doing our entire cottage next and go completely off the grid.

  13. by avatar BartSimpson  Gold Member
    Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:58 pm
    Even The Guardian is skeptical of the claims with Costa Rica:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ate-change



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