[Newsbot]

Title: Tibet PM sees human-rights 'tragedy' unfolding
Category: World
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2012-02-11 23:21:00
Canadian

[Scape]

CBC talking about monks lighting themselves on fire when the PM is in China. Interesting timing.

[Hyack]

I don't see it that way, all the CBC is doing is reporting what the prime minister of the Tibetan government-in-exile has to say about the Chinese "repressive" regime taking place in Tibet. Also, nowhere in the article can I even find a mention of "monks" immolating themselves.

$1:

According to Sangay, hundreds have been "arrested, shot at, jailed and tortured" amid China's escalating crackdown in Tibet, with dozens of Tibetans publicly setting themselves on fire in the last few weeks.

"People are sacrificing their lives to send the message to the international community — and the Chinese government — that they can not tolerate or live under such violative and intrusive policies and actions," Sangay said.

[Scape]

http://www.cbc.ca/video/watch/Radio/ID=2195589122

The House is a program I hear every week. They are referring to the interview. Move to the 15 min mark.

And then there is this:


Brewing China scandal offers Harper a Sino-reality check

This isn't a coincidence. The CBC isn't helping by piling on either.

[martin14]

The Prime Minister of Tibet ?

The post does not exist.


Tibet is now a province of China, it wont change unless the Tibetans
are willing to spill blood for it.



And.. nobody cares anymoe.

Except some bleeding hearts at the CBC, determined to mess with the goverment.
At any cost.

[Lemmy]

martin14 martin14:

The Prime Minister of Tibet ? The post does not exist.

A government in exile may not exist in the minds of the Chinese but it certainly exists in the minds of the Tibetans. Who was the legitimate leader of France during WWII, de Gaulle or Hitler?

Martin14 Martin14:

Tibet is now a province of China, it wont change unless the Tibetans
are willing to spill blood for it.

Maybe, or maybe the Chinese will admit the error of their ways and just leave, like the British in India.

Martin14 Martin14:

And.. nobody cares anymoe. Except some bleeding hearts at the CBC, determined to mess with the goverment.
At any cost.

Or any other civilized human being who cares about injustice. "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" - Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

[Bruce_E_T]

Lemmy Lemmy:

[Maybe, or maybe the Chinese will admit the error of their ways and just leave, like the British in India.

Hate to sound uninformed but is there oil or coal in Tibet? Sounds like the Chinese are going through a lot of trouble for what looks on the surface to be a wasteland.

Edit: Quick search.

$1:

Mineral and Energy Resources
Tibet boasts the largest reserves of chromite in China, covering a total area of 2,500 sq m (965 sq miles) and totaling approximately to 10 million tons. Meanwhile, in 1999 an abundance of lithium carbonate was discovered and the Zabuye Salt Lake in the Shigatse Region has become not only the largest lithium base in China but the world's second richest salt lake brine resource. So far over 100 varieties of mineral have been found in Tibet, 11 of which, including conundrum, copper, boron and isinglass, etc., rank as the national top five reserves. The potential for other minerals such as gold, silver, lead and zinc is prospected.

Also large virgin forests, a plus for a country that imports cardboard.

[Lemmy]

Not that I know of. The Chinese dilemma, as I understand it, comes from their settlement of Tibet, much like the Israelis' scheme to populate Gaza and the West Bank with transplanted Jews. The Chinese have tried to populate Tibet and now there's so many non-Tibetan Chinese in Tibet that they feel they can't admit their error.

[Curtman]

Lemmy Lemmy:

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" - Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

$1:

“We want to sell our energy to people who want to buy our energy. It’s that simple,” said Harper

Who cares as long as Harper makes some cash for his puppet-masters at the oil company. Oh and a photo-op with a big fluffy panda helps too.

[Bruce_E_T]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Not that I know of. The Chinese dilemma, as I understand it, comes from their settlement of Tibet, much like the Israelis' scheme to populate Gaza and the West Bank with transplanted Jews. The Chinese have tried to populate Tibet and now there's so many non-Tibetan Chinese in Tibet that they feel they can't admit their error.

That would make sense as well. Why resettle people in faraway countries when you can go right next door?

[martin14]

Bruce_E_T Bruce_E_T:

Lemmy Lemmy:

Not that I know of. The Chinese dilemma, as I understand it, comes from their settlement of Tibet, much like the Israelis' scheme to populate Gaza and the West Bank with transplanted Jews. The Chinese have tried to populate Tibet and now there's so many non-Tibetan Chinese in Tibet that they feel they can't admit their error.

That would make sense as well. Why resettle people in faraway countries when you can go right next door?

To be fair, they are doing both.

[martin14]

Lemmy Lemmy:

martin14 martin14:

The Prime Minister of Tibet ? The post does not exist.

A government in exile may not exist in the minds of the Chinese but it certainly exists in the minds of the Tibetans. Who was the legitimate leader of France during WWII, de Gaulle or Hitler?

Martin14 Martin14:

Tibet is now a province of China, it wont change unless the Tibetans
are willing to spill blood for it.

Maybe, or maybe the Chinese will admit the error of their ways and just leave, like the British in India.

Martin14 Martin14:

And.. nobody cares anymoe. Except some bleeding hearts at the CBC, determined to mess with the goverment.
At any cost.

Or any other civilized human being who cares about injustice. "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" - Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Good.

Let me know when you become Prime Minister, and refuse any dealings with China
until they leave Tibet.

Or show me any government in the world doing this.

Or show me your participation at the latest anti China rally.

Or at least show me where you refuse to buy anything Chinese.

till then....

[andyt]

Hyack Hyack:

I don't see it that way, all the CBC is doing is reporting what the prime minister of the Tibetan government-in-exile has to say about the Chinese "repressive" regime taking place in Tibet. Also, nowhere in the article can I even find a mention of "monks" immolating themselves.

By your use of "", it seems you don't see the Chinese as repressive, and you don't believe the monks are really such?

[Bruce_E_T]

martin14 martin14:

To be fair, they are doing both.

That is true. I would think that given the choice of dispersing people all over the world where they wind up in ethnic enclaves under someone else's control or having them next door under Chinese control they would prefer the latter.

Actually having Chinese communities all over the world probably helps out on the trade side but they will never get resource control they can get in Tibet.

[andyt]

Bruce_E_T Bruce_E_T:

That is true. I would think that given the choice of dispersing people all over the world where they wind up in ethnic enclaves under someone else's control or having them next door under Chinese control they would prefer the latter.

Actually having Chinese communities all over the world probably helps out on the trade side but they will never get resource control they can get in Tibet.

You're kidding right? You think the Chinese in Richmond BC would rather be in Tibet under Chinese control?