[Newsbot]

Title: Hertz suspends Muslim shuttle drivers for praying
Category: Religion
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2011-10-07 20:27:09

[martin14]

Working rules ?

What are they ?

Oh, nobody cares about the rules, Allah is more important.

[ShepherdsDog]

will Allah put food on the table and pay for your rent?

[GreenTiger]

This is part of a settlement with the Equal Employment Opportuities Commision so by law Hertz is correct.

This become a Labour issue that perhaps they can negotiate.

[GreenTiger]

i'm given to understand they pray 5 times a day. How long do the prayers take?
That can take a fair chunk of time out of a system not designed for it.

[peck420]

Even if the prayer was a total of 5 minutes in a day, multiply that by all of the drivers. (If you allow it for some, you must allow it for all)

We get this at work all the time:

"Why are you outside smoking?"

"It only takes 5 minutes..."

"5 minutes x 5 guys x how many times a day?"

"Uh, I didn't realize that..."

"Get back to effin work and smoke on your breaks!"

[EyeBrock]

I dunno about this one. I think accommodation could be made here.

I also think that immigrants from Muslim countries in the West also need to realise that our world doesn’t revolve around the Five Pillars of Islam.

A bit of a compromise from both sides of this dispute would go a long way.

[Hyack]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I dunno about this one. I think accommodation could be made here.

I also think that immigrants from Muslim countries in the West also need to realise that our world doesn’t revolve around the Five Pillars of Islam.

A bit of a compromise from both sides of this dispute would go a long way.

Accommodations have been made, it's the ones not going by the agreement who have been suspended, I can't see they have a leg to stand on here.

$1:

The drivers are required to clock out, under the terms of a settlement two years ago with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. "We felt it was reasonable for our Muslim employees who need to pray a couple times during the workday to clock in and clock out,".

It's not about pay -- break time is paid time -- but to ensure workers were staying within the 10-minute time slots, which has been a problem, he said.
Muslim workers who clocked out were not suspended.

[Brenda]

"Respect me, respect my religion"? Really?
In a secular nation? Where religion has no precedent in labour laws?
"Respect the rules, don't get suspended."...

[desertdude]

^^^
Can always count on you to be cosiderate Bren. Why is it whenever something regarding religion comes up regardless of what regelion you panties go into automatic twist mode ?

Not doing any favours by being the sanctimonious atheist here, you can shove your secularism down as many throats as you like but the reality is people will not stop having faith because it offends your secularism. Like it or not even the west have nations which have their roots in religion and there always be a little give and take wheter it be, muslims, jews or even the believers of the flying spagehetti monster.

As for the issue at hand from what is stated I don't see anything wrong with the suspension. Breaks have been alloted and rules laid down, so use them.


P.S : Sorry for being harsh but for sometimes you do get a bit much bren

[Brenda]

This is not about a religion at all. It is about sticking to the rules.
If they had clocked out and in, they would still be working. Simple, no?
I am sick and tired of people using religion as an excuse to fuck up. ANY religion.

It is ok for you to shove your faith down my throat and I just have to accept that bullshit? Ah, no, not happening. You can stick your religion where the sun don't shine, my friend, like I can stick my non-religion at the same place, as far as you are concerned.

Btw, in case you didn't read the story... I did not make that line up. They "protesters" did. THAT is what gets my panties in a twist.
They are saying "HEY!! MY religion tells me I need to pray, and you can't stop me, I will pray when I have to, and there are no rules for me to follow".

Well, dear, there are. Clock out, clock in. They have been accommodated. Don't protest when YOU don't stick to the rules (fuck up) and tell me to respect your religion.

[desertdude]

I see it will be a while before they get untwisted, until then cheers

[Brenda]

I have one simple answer:

[Curtman]

Brenda Brenda:

This is not about a religion at all. It is about sticking to the rules.
If they had clocked out and in, they would still be working. Simple, no?
I am sick and tired of people using religion as an excuse to fuck up. ANY religion.

It is ok for you to shove your faith down my throat and I just have to accept that bullshit? Ah, no, not happening. You can stick your religion where the sun don't shine, my friend, like I can stick my non-religion at the same place, as far as you are concerned.

Btw, in case you didn't read the story... I did not make that line up. They "protesters" did. THAT is what gets my panties in a twist.
They are saying "HEY!! MY religion tells me I need to pray, and you can't stop me, I will pray when I have to, and there are no rules for me to follow".

Well, dear, there are. Clock out, clock in. They have been accommodated. Don't protest when YOU don't stick to the rules (fuck up) and tell me to respect your religion.

Yep.

$1:

5. Right Livelihood

Right livelihood means that one should earn one's living in a righteous way and that wealth should be gained legally and peacefully. The Buddha mentions four specific activities that harm other beings and that one should avoid for this reason: 1. dealing in weapons, 2. dealing in living beings (including raising animals for slaughter as well as slave trade and prostitution), 3. working in meat production and butchery, and 4. selling intoxicants and poisons, such as alcohol and drugs.

I wouldn't go work in a slaughterhouse and say my religion prevents me from doing my duties. It's not up to my employer to accommodate my beliefs, it's up to me to find employment that fits my beliefs.

[desertdude]

Like I said sanctimonious athiest, I can say exactly the same thing for your atheism and secularism aswell.

The door swings both ways.