[Newsbot]

Title: Canadian submarine hits bottom; 2 crew members hurt
Category: Military
Posted By: Gunnair
Date: 2011-06-05 16:44:11
Canadian

[Gunnair]

Oops...

[Canadian_Mind]

isn't this the same one that caught on fire?

[Gunnair]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

isn't this the same one that caught on fire?

No. That was Chicoutimi.

[weaselways]

Same class though.

[GreenTiger]

In the US Navy when something like this happens all the officers are removed.

Is it the same in the Canadian Navy .. er .. Maritime command.

[Freakinoldguy]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

In the US Navy when something like this happens all the officers are removed.

Is it the same in the Canadian Navy .. er .. Maritime command.

Nope.


They all get promoted.

Can't attest to how it is now but, it used to be that as an Officer in the Canadian Navy you pretty much had to royally screw the pooch to even get a reprimand.

I now of a retired Admiral who as a CDR, once shelled a school yard during a live fire exercise. Hush hush it was.

I was also on a vessel that ran aground once, hit another vessel of the same class and almost wiped out an entire jetty in Seattle. Everything was hush hush, yet again.

But in all honesty it was starting to change when I was getting out. I guess when they went to an actual financial accounting system, someone discovered that all the collisions and groundings were costing DND money and we all know how the government is about wasting money.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

as an Officer in the Canadian Navy you pretty much had to royally screw the pooch to even get a reprimand.

The EO on the Yukon forging his own invitation to the party on the Brittania comes to mind...the OOW when the Kittyhawk almost t-boned the Yukon as well, even though from what I'm told his actions saved the ship...his initial inattention almost cost them dearly. These incidents all happened before I was aboard. Then there was that sub commander, a real bright star til then, who was given the boot for photos involving a hazing ritual....remember the cigar tube incident?

[Freakinoldguy]

I've been in three collisions at sea above what I already mentioned, with varying degrees of damage and I never saw the CO relieved little own reprimanded. The only time I ever saw the CO going up the hill in full rig with sword in hand was when we had the mutiny on the St. Croix.

So, I guess it's the degree of severity as seen by your immediate supervisor. Bash up one Her Majesties finest, no biggie, but piss off 200 matelots, one of whom went to the Times Communist with the story and bingo, You good sir are now relieved.

[Scape]

This isn't as bad as when the Brit and French boomers bumped into each other though. The PR might cost someone their job though.

[ShepherdsDog]

The ping bosn's loved to sound the American subs trying to sneak out to sea.

[QBall]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

In the US Navy when something like this happens all the officers are removed.

Is it the same in the Canadian Navy .. er .. Maritime command.

Not unless every officer on the sub was somehow involved in the grounding. The CO the Navigation Officer and the Officer of the Watch's actions would definitely be investigated, however whether anyone else is involved depends on the circumstances. Maybe there was an equipment malfunction.

$1:

Pash said the 60-person crew immediately brought the ship to the surface to conduct safety checks.

The article never identifies who Pash is. Another article written by quality journalists.

[Regina]

A couple of years ago Bart posted pictures and an article about a US Sub hitting a sea mountain or something. Major front end damage too. Be interested to know the outcome of that.

[BartSimpson]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

In the US Navy when something like this happens all the officers are removed.

Oh yeah. I recall some years back when the Missouri ran aground in the channel approaching Alameda and the executive staff ended up on permanent shore duty. The harbor pilot assured them the channel had recently been dredged and that it was safe to transit at low tide and it turned out the harbor pilot was wrong about the whole thing.

It didn't matter a whit to the Pentagon that this was absolutely not the fault of the exec staff, the ship ran aground and someone in uniform had to suffer for it.

In most cases in the US Navy when such a thing happens from actual negligence the officers just resign and leave the Navy because their careers are over.