[Newsbot]

Title: 2010 hottest year on record for Canada: Report
Category: Environmental
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2011-01-11 20:50:35
Canadian

[DrCaleb]

But . .but. . it's 30 below! Last year it was +5! The record high for this day is +10! How can it be the warmest year on record?? {/sarcasm}

[bootlegga]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But . .but. . it's 30 below! Last year it was +5! The record high for this day is +10! How can it be the warmest year on record?? {/sarcasm}

You beat me to it!

[Zipperfish]

Just from a PR perspective, they should release these things in mid-July.

[Brenda]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Just from a PR perspective, they should release these things in mid-July.

They will then state "coldest year of the century", so we can bitch that that is bogus because it is so hot out

[BartSimpson]

$1:

That made it the warmest year since nationwide records began in 1948.

There it is. With a data set representing ±0.0000000124% of earth's history this is definitive! The science is in! The debate is over!

WE'RE DOOMED!!!

[jeff744]

Hottest? seriously? Could have fooled me with all the rain and below average temperatures I was seeing all summer.

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

$1:

That made it the warmest year since nationwide records began in 1948.

There it is. With a data set representing ±0.0000000124% of earth's history this is definitive! The science is in! The debate is over!

WE'RE DOOMED!!!

Please save this post and recycle it every time you're tempted to post how global warming is a scam because it's cold in winter somewhere. Or snowing in the mountains in Australia.

[Khar]

In comparison to the reports that the reason we have a slightly colder winter in some parts of the world is Global Warming, and slightly warmer in other areas is due to Global Warming? I don't mean to cause offense, but if people wish to take the high ground and remind folks that weather is not the same as our climate, than some other folks need to stop uttering it in kind.

It could not be, for example, that there was a shift in air currents which over the last year or so have resulted in cooler than normal temperatures in the South and warmer ones in the North. Or may weather was just different because weather changes. This article is not one I am saying has this problem, but a series of other articles do have this problem.

When I see this, I do view it as a sign of a certain illegitimacy, where the same arguments shot down by supporters are suddenly valid the same way when used in reverse. While global warming, should it exist (since I don't want to get into this discussion otherwise I'm not posting my opinion on that), would effect everything, it would not cause everything, and thanks to the trends in the media people have begun to believe it even when the science does not actually back it up.

In the case of this article, we must keep in mind that in both cases the author was particularly nebulous in giving us the source of the article and the names of the scientists. There is no evidence that this environmental group in Canada said the fault lied in the hands of AGW, just that some scientists elsewhere have, which is true. All this group did was report trends in the weather of Canada for 2010. I would have liked to have read this article for myself, since the way this journalist wrote this implied something which may or may not be true.

In particular, andyt, I have to admit that I feel your complaints about prognostication in the field of economics should at least carry over to the field of climate science as well. Both involve numerous variables making numbers hard to track. In some institutions, EAS is considered closer to the social sciences than the physical sciences due to similar difficulties in both fields to getting adequate results.

[Refreshed]

Pretty mild winter so far here in Vancouver.

[Refreshed]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But . .but. . it's 30 below! Last year it was +5!

Guess what? This time last year it was 2010.

[andyt]

Refreshed Refreshed:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But . .but. . it's 30 below! Last year it was +5!

Guess what? This time last year it was 2010.

Yeah, he's a little slow that way.

[BartSimpson]

Refreshed Refreshed:

Pretty mild winter so far here in Vancouver.

Which is kind of the attraction of living in Vancouver/Victoria as opposed to, say, the tropical paradise of Churchill.

[EyeBrock]

My palm tree looks a bit frozen in my front yard.....

[SprCForr]

Could be true, I don't know. The thermometer is covered in snow, same as it was last year at this time.

Wow, I thought it felt warmer! -23c beats the shit out of -27c every way to Sunday in my book!