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Title: Canadian veterans battling homelessness
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2011-01-03 16:11:31
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[Gunnair]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

A disgraceful sham(e).

Not every vet is homeless because they were fucked up after seeing dead babies. Some, like any other person, made some stupid choices wrt drugs and alcohol. Is it a sham(e) that they're on the streets after the choices they made?

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[Gunnair]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

A disgraceful sham(e).

Not every vet is homeless because they were fucked up after seeing dead babies. Some, like any other person, made some stupid choices wrt drugs and alcohol. Is it a sham(e) that they're on the streets after the choices they made?

Oh well of course there is a number who drank themselves into a dumpster.
It couldn't be just one cause for all of them.

Is it a sham(e) for those that drank themselves into a dumpster?

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[Guy_Fawkes]

$1:

The average delay between release from the military to becoming homeless was 24 years, but the range was from two years to 64.

24 years!?!

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-- Homeless vets recommended Veterans Affairs do a better job identifying early signs of problems, such as alcoholism, and of following up with soldiers once they leave the military.

So what do you want the military to do, force them to go into rehab?

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One of the more unusual findings -- few of the homeless vets had been deployed overseas.

How is that unusual, again this brings us all back to the same problem. People who have nothing to do with the military or military lifestyle passing judgment on soldiers.

If a veteran became a bum because he is a nut case, he should get help. If a veteran became a bum because he drank and gambled all his cash away and didnt get another job to support his habit,he shouldnt get much if any sympathy.

[andyt]

The vets should get the same support as any other homeless person. We need way more rehab and mental health services, and affordable housing. If somebody refuses all that and wants to be on the street, well that's their business, but we're not doing way enough to help people who want and need help. And if we did have adequate housing for people, I would be all for forcing the street sleeper to take it, not allowing them to to sleep rough and cause problems, pissing and shitting every where etc. I mean even build little cubicle prison cells, where they have to spend the night, get sent out with a good breakfast and are are seen by support services if they're willing to access it.

And, the savings in health care and judicial system costs could pay for the extra services quite nicely. ER's are expensive, and that's where a lot of homeless wind up. And, we're now starting to house homeless in them because there it nowhere to send them to once they are better. You could pay a guys SRO for a couple of months with what it costs for an ER bed.

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[andyt]

I have no problem forcing people to do things if they're being a big pain in the ass. And sleeping on the street is a pain in the ass for others. My forced housing program wouldn't be like regular jail - no finger prints taken, no records kept. They can keep their belongings with them. They just can't leave until the next morning. I have no problem infringing on their liberty to that degree, I don't see how it causes any harm.

Of course that program would also catch all the tards that sleep out to get concert tickets or whatever latest pod toy is coming out. Too bad, too sad.

There's no contradiction (tho I admit I only thought of the jail thingy as I was writing) because they can still choose not to accept the help offered, such as permanent housing. Just that there's consequences to that choice, like any other.

But offer decent housing and addiction and mental health services, job training etc, and I doubt it wouldn't be much of an issue anyway. Most people aren't on the street by choice. Some of the young runaways are, but they could probably be lured with job training etc - like that cooking program they have for street youth. Some of the crazy guys won't want to accept help, and a very few who are doing it out of some kind of principle. Very few.

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[andyt]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

$1:

There's no contradiction (tho I admit I only thought of the jail thingy as I was writing) because they can still choose not to accept the help offered, such as permanent housing. Just that there's consequences to that choice, like any other.

Consequence as in cost?

consequence like you spend the night in a shelter and can't leave until morning if you're found sleeping out on the street.

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