[Newsbot]

Title: HMCS Victoria refit delayed again
Category: Military
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2010-12-23 21:57:35
Canadian

[Scape]

Brother-in-law called and said he would be out here in January for 6 weeks to work on her. It's a shame the public like to slag on them so. I'm sure they will be a force once they are brought online.

[stokes]

The biggest issue is the Brits, they will not release the plans/ blueprints for some of the crucial parts that are needed siting national security concerns etc, meaning that all spares must be purchased from them at 2 -3 times the cost of having them made in Canada.

The Brits screwed us .....again (first eyebrock and now these subs..

Once we sort everything out though they should work just fine

[BartSimpson]

Eight years along side and commissioned. Is that a record?

[Nuggie77]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Eight years along side and commissioned. Is that a record?

While it does seem a long time to be Commissioned and alongside, in Canada we do not take ships/subs out of Commisssion while in extended refits. They are put into extended readiness. In the case of the Victoria, she has no crew and does not fly flags or ensigns.

[BartSimpson]

I see. So in Canada this would be 'extended readiness'. So noted.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I see. So in Canada this would be 'extended readiness'. So noted.

Some glue, and a good polish - it'll be fine.

[Gunnair]

Nuggie77 Nuggie77:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Eight years along side and commissioned. Is that a record?

While it does seem a long time to be Commissioned and alongside, in Canada we do not take ships/subs out of Commisssion while in extended refits. They are put into extended readiness. In the case of the Victoria, she has no crew and does not fly flags or ensigns.

It's normally called 'Out of Routine' and they fly the Port flag vice the ensign and naval jack.

[stokes]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I see. So in Canada this would be 'extended readiness'. So noted.

Nope...this would be considered a docking work period

[stokes]

What trade are you Gunnair...cause you certainly arent a stoker...I had to look up terms like ensign, jack and the port flag, and forget the term out of routine as the engineers are always working!!!


(Just kidding I know what those flags mean)

Bart

Most docking work periods for us last anywhere from 12 - 18 months depending on what needs to be done with a DWP happening every 48 months, however with the subs they cant put anything back in out of order, so basically if it comes out first it goes back in last.....see my earlier posts about the Brits...minus the comment about eyebrock

[Scape]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Eight years along side and commissioned. Is that a record?

Oh boo-hoo. Same issues with the Leopard 2. Fact is this kit was made for a war we never fought (thank god) and they had to junk a lot but some got mothballed. These are far better kit then what the aussies made from scratch at a fraction the cost. However, being in mothballed status for such a long time there is no standard for this and machines are made to be used. It's like putting a car in storage for 10 years, your going to have the same problems and standards will change overtime with military equipment. Getting rid of the asbestos wasn't cheap either.

I honestly do not see a difference between these subs and the Dutch Leopard 2 we bought except that the subs are a much larger and more complex piece of kit and more can go wrong with it. Honestly which would you rather, 15$ Billion or 1$? That's the difference in cost here.

[gonavy47]

stokes stokes:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I see. So in Canada this would be 'extended readiness'. So noted.

Nope...this would be considered a docking work period

Actually in Naval terms it's broken.

[Gunnair]

stokes stokes:

What trade are you Gunnair...cause you certainly arent a stoker...I had to look up terms like ensign, jack and the port flag, and forget the term out of routine as the engineers are always working!!!


(Just kidding I know what those flags mean)

Stokers are always working? Really? That's only when the Union let's them, or when they aren't knee deep in refs to find out how they can cut their workday down to four hours so the don't get overlay taxed sitting on the arses in the air conditioned MCR!

Reg force NESOP and Reserve Boatswain, buddy!

[Freakinoldguy]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Reg force NESOP and Reserve Boatswain, buddy!

Well............. one out of two ain't bad.

[Gunnair]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Reg force NESOP and Reserve Boatswain, buddy!

Well............. one out of two ain't bad.

Which one?