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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:31 am
$1: At issue in this latest controversy is the fact Premier Exhibitions, the company behind the touring display of preserved and dissected cadavers, leases its specimens from the Chinese government. Critics fear some bodies could belong to peaceful prisoners who were tortured or executed, a charge Premier once acknowledged it couldn't conclusively deny.
"Premier relies solely on the representations of its Chinese partners and cannot independently verify that (the bodies) do not belong to persons executed while incarcerated," the disclaimer says.
I don't know what to think about this. Has it been discussed here recently?
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:10 am
What's the problem??? He asked the bodies for consent. Not answering is consent, isn't it? 
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:43 am
That's always been my view when bringing drunk girls home.
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:47 am
Unsound Unsound: That's always been my view when bringing drunk girls home. Throwing up all over your lap is NOT consent. 
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:07 pm
Mans eternal obsession with the macarbe
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:18 pm
desertdude desertdude: Mans eternal obsession with the macarbe Interesting how little outrage there is for this too isn't it?
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:01 pm
I think its even more grosser thinking where the bodies came from. Outrage ? all has been expended eleswhere very little to go around for this.
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:11 pm
Curtman Curtman: $1: At issue in this latest controversy is the fact Premier Exhibitions, the company behind the touring display of preserved and dissected cadavers, leases its specimens from the Chinese government. Critics fear some bodies could belong to peaceful prisoners who were tortured or executed, a charge Premier once acknowledged it couldn't conclusively deny.
"Premier relies solely on the representations of its Chinese partners and cannot independently verify that (the bodies) do not belong to persons executed while incarcerated," the disclaimer says. I don't know what to think about this. Has it been discussed here recently? I think it's highly likely some of them are exactly that, it's an ancient Chinese tradition. But how do you prove it.
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:44 pm
Chumley Chumley: I think it's highly likely some of them are exactly that, it's an ancient Chinese tradition. But how do you prove it. I don't think you really have to. This company should have to prove consent at the very least. There is furious debate going on about the desecration of icons, but nobody cares about the desecration of these people. I think it is almost frightening that I can't find people who think this is abhorrent.
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:53 pm
Chumley Chumley: Curtman Curtman: $1: At issue in this latest controversy is the fact Premier Exhibitions, the company behind the touring display of preserved and dissected cadavers, leases its specimens from the Chinese government. Critics fear some bodies could belong to peaceful prisoners who were tortured or executed, a charge Premier once acknowledged it couldn't conclusively deny.
"Premier relies solely on the representations of its Chinese partners and cannot independently verify that (the bodies) do not belong to persons executed while incarcerated," the disclaimer says. I don't know what to think about this. Has it been discussed here recently? I think it's highly likely some of them are exactly that, it's an ancient Chinese tradition. But how do you prove it. You look for missing organs. 
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Chumley
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:33 pm
Curtman Curtman: Chumley Chumley: I think it's highly likely some of them are exactly that, it's an ancient Chinese tradition. But how do you prove it. I don't think you really have to. This company should have to prove consent at the very least. There is furious debate going on about the desecration of icons, but nobody cares about the desecration of these people. I think it is almost frightening that I can't find people who think this is abhorrent. Well of course you should have to prove consent. In Canada. And really, if it came down to it, how hard would it be for China to fabricate that proof?
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:56 am
Chumley Chumley: Well of course you should have to prove consent. In Canada. And really, if it came down to it, how hard would it be for China to fabricate that proof? So why doesn't anybody care? When this "exhibit" opened, I spent 3 evenings trying to get signatures on a petition. Two people signed. They also said they were going to "go check it out".
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:51 am
Curtman Curtman: Chumley Chumley: Well of course you should have to prove consent. In Canada. And really, if it came down to it, how hard would it be for China to fabricate that proof? So why doesn't anybody care? When this "exhibit" opened, I spent 3 evenings trying to get signatures on a petition. Two people signed. They also said they were going to "go check it out". I would have signed it, if that's any consolation. I don't like how we gloss over China's reputation for the sake of trade.
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:09 pm
Not to stir up a hornet's nest, but to get people upset about this requires a respect for the sanctity of life and when prophylactic abortion, eugenics, rationed health care, and involuntary euthansia fail to arouse people then it's no surprise that the possibility of deliberately murdering people for a traveling show elicits no response.
This same exhibit was in Sacramento and one local reporter compared it to the "House of Wax" (of several movie versions) and how it was little more than the same story except that now no one was horrified by the thought of making waxen statues out of people.
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