[Newsbot]

Title: Ontario Liberals propose new fees
Category: Provincial Politics
Posted By: HaRdLy
Date: 2010-07-17 05:27:26
Canadian

[stokes]

Damn i want to go back to the west coast, even gordo isnt this messed up!!!

My taxes went from about $1000/ year to $3200. I regret moving here very very badly, too bad it is a work thing and I am making less

[Bodah]

McGuinty is a fucking idiot, he's fucking up Ontario big time.
The Yukon is looking pretty good about now.

[Public_Domain]

[Arctic_Menace]

Mr_Canada, it's not that the Ontario Liberals have support. It's that they seem to be ever so slightly preferable to the alternatives.

[Bruce_the_vii]

Thanks for the link, McGunity headed for more taxes. It's good to keep watch on the guy.

[CommanderSock]

To be honest, it's either budget cuts or higher taxes.

Choose your poison, but you must choose one.

Most Ontarians don’t have the stomach for program cuts (Mike Harris era demonstrated this very well), but we do have the capacity to take on more taxes (as McGuinty’s thumping re-election proved).

[Bruce_the_vii]

That's all true, but McGuinty is now the health premium, HST, eco taxes and now fees. He has spent wildly and borrowed heavily as well. He may push people into the other camps. He thinks of himself as a big wheeler dealer.

[EyeBrock]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

Mr_Canada, it's not that the Ontario Liberals have support. It's that they seem to be ever so slightly preferable to the alternatives.

Really?

I think we shall soon see if that's true.

[CommanderSock]

He spent on vote winning initiatives. And that's all that counts. The results are easily felt across Ontario.

Waiting times are shorter now. Hospitals are well funded. Ontario roads are in much better shape (during the Harris years the 400 series highways were fucking deathtraps).

The creation of the green belt around Toronto effectively ended the Mississauga/Brampton/Halton/Milton sprawl, this was necessary to stop Toronto front turning into Los Angeles north (in a bad way). This is a local issue but it has had an amazingly positive effect on our surroundings here.

All in all I can't complain about Dalton. Privatization of LCBO (liquor), lottery and electricity will hopefully continue to reduce the deficit.

For now, Dalton has my vote and knee jerk anger over taxes aren't bothering me too much.

[Bruce_the_vii]

Yes, he has had vote winning initiatives - all paid for by debt. Ontario has now had deficit budgets for something like 40 years with the odd break. It's popular, until the chickens come into roost.

[EyeBrock]

Really?

My wife and I have been paying the Health Care premium to the tune of $400 a month for 7 years now.

No new hospitals in our Region, which has grown in population by 40% in that time. I'm just imagining what we could have spent all that cash on that was taken from us.

I'd say I'm a bit annoyed. When we had our last kid the service we got was pretty piss poor.We waited in a corridor while she was in labour. Well funded my arse.

The HST means will be able to spend less on other things as our cash will be going to Toronto ridings. The eco-fee means even more cash being siphoned to e-health and other big wastes of cash.

You might be fine sock, but I live in the 905 regions where the Libs don't get votes or have marginal seats.

Watch the next election and see how the people besides you feel.

And the roads were death traps under Harris? Really, care to prove that spurious point?

And 7 years isn't knee jerk.

[GreenTiger]

The impression that I get from your Parliament is that they spend more time raising fees and taxes rather than anything else. Am I wring?

[EyeBrock]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

The impression that I get from your Parliament is that they spend more time raising fees and taxes rather than anything else. Am I wring?

The Ontario Legislature has been very busy raising my taxes for 8 years and I have had no increase in services.

People in Liberal-centric Toronto seem to fine with it though.

[Bruce_the_vii]

So you would be American there Green. America spends 36% of GDP on government while in Canada it's 40%. However the purchasing power parity of the Canadian dollar (ppp)is only 0.8 the American dollar. It's like the USA spends 45% of the budget on government on a per capita basis. The American politicians out spend Canada by quite a bit.