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Title: Suspect has 80-plus car theft convictions: cops
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Benn
Date: 2010-07-16 06:33:59
Canadian

[martin14]

your tax money hard at work
supporting prosecuters and judges, putting criminals away.

How he ever got parole to violate is beyond me.

Looks like 79 people got thier car fucked with for no other reason than THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN AND DOESNT WORK !

[andyt]

For some reason the judiciary seems to think that the more crimes you do, the less time you deserve for it since prison isn't working. I say do more crime, do more time - it will at least prevent you re-offending while you're in.

In Vancouver the police like to list the worst offenders and their rap sheets. They are without exception druggies. If we reformed drug laws, we'd have a lot less of this. For those that want to continue with crimes, provide them with free room and board for extended periods - it's cheaper than paying for the mess they make.

The Vancouver cops are real bad asses. They want indefinite sentences for the repeat offenders. But this is Canada, they came up with a 30 strikes and you're out suggestion. Can't really argue with that.

[Benn]

Problem is where to put them. I know a guy who works at Juvie Detention over there and he says there are already people sleeping on mattresses on the floor due to overcrowding. IF we want them in longer we also have to support building and staffing more jail space and so far few politicians want to do that. I'll guess its because its a tough sell to say you are keeping crime in check on your watch while also saying we need more jails.

[andyt]

Benn Benn:

Problem is where to put them. I know a guy who works at Juvie Detention over there and he says there are already people sleeping on mattresses on the floor due to overcrowding. IF we want them in longer we also have to support building and staffing more jail space and so far few politicians want to do that. I'll guess its because its a tough sell to say you are keeping crime in check on your watch while also saying we need more jails.

Well crime is down from everything I read. But sure it's going to cost a few bucks. But you have to balance against all the money their crimes cost, and if a car thief kills somebody running from the cops, what's that worth?

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

The Vancouver cops are real bad asses. They want indefinite sentences for the repeat offenders. But this is Canada, they came up with a 30 strikes and you're out suggestion. Can't really argue with that.

So this guy is a 2 and a half time loser.

[KorbenDeck]

andyt andyt:

The Vancouver cops are real bad asses. They want indefinite sentences for the repeat offenders. But this is Canada, they came up with a 30 strikes and you're out suggestion. Can't really argue with that.

I'd be more along the lines of 3 strikes and we remove your citizenship and pay North Korea 10 grand to take you. NC needs the money, and we want to get rid of someone, its a win win. Plus it would be WAY cheaper for Canada in both the short and long run.

[Freakinoldguy]

Glad to see the system works.

[Thanos]

Sickening.

[canyadoit]

how dose one remove a citizenship? A shot a immigration maybe? A canadian is a birth rite, there fore can not be removed and sent anywere. A large differance between a canadian citizen and a canadian. ( As in born in this counrty)

If crime is down, why are the detention centers, provinical and federal prisions over flowing?, or have folks bought in to goverment propaganda on this topic?http://strategy.sauder.ubc.ca/antweiler/edutainment/crime.pdf http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le1643226/ What is considered a drop, 2% -22% both are drops I know, what is acceptable regarding crime?
Talk to someone who has been victomised by crime and see if they feel the rates have dropped. Or when one's insurance rates go up (auto, home etc.) What of the nonreported crime, is that factored in as well.
I still feel this is a direct result of a lack of proactiveness by people to prevent crime in,and protect thier, neighbourhoods

[Choban]

$1:

If crime is down, why are the detention centers, provinical and federal prisions over flowing

Closing prisons probably has something to do with it.

[andyt]

canyadoit canyadoit:

how dose one remove a citizenship? A shot a immigration maybe? A canadian is a birth rite, there fore can not be removed and sent anywere. A large differance between a canadian citizen and a canadian. ( As in born in this counrty)

I sure hope you're not a native born Canadian, or our educational system is in worse trouble than I thought.

canyadoit canyadoit:

If crime is down, why are the detention centers, provinical and federal prisions over flowing?,

Because the crooks are all in jail?

[EyeBrock]

This is not at all unusual. In fact it's pretty standard for property offences.

Go to court for a day guys. Anybody can sit in adult court. Watch what goes on. It's not a justice system, it's a legal system.

[Benn]

canyadoit canyadoit:

how dose one remove a citizenship? A shot a immigration maybe? A canadian is a birth rite, there fore can not be removed and sent anywere. A large differance between a canadian citizen and a canadian. ( As in born in this counrty)

If crime is down, why are the detention centers, provinical and federal prisions over flowing?, or have folks bought in to goverment propaganda on this topic?

Forgive me if I"m missing what you meant but are you saying prison overcrowding is propaganda? Right, so I have a cousin and best friend who are COs from different institutions but are both lying to me to maintain government propaganda. One has teenagers at the youth centre always sleeping on the floor for lack of beds and the other one has them sleeping in what was supposed to be a gym since the province won't build them a new wing.

Now that they have (or are about to?) do away with 2 for 1 sentencing the problem will only get worse.

I guarantee you this kids got and well before his sentence ended due to the fact they needed the spot in jail for him. It is most certainly a pressure on the parole boards and judges during sentencing.

[canyadoit]

"I sure hope you're not a native born Canadian, or our educational system is in worse trouble than I thought."
How cosmopoitian of you to point out my spelling and grammatical deficiencies. Were Iam from/what I do , spelling and such dose not account formuch at the end of the day. I do understand the point though. The use of proper english has it's merits ; at times. I will endeavour to do some learning up on it. Thanks for the correction.
Benn, my point was not well put forth. I was refering to a earlier post above. "well crime is down from everything I read" Which the body of the readings is composed of goverment stats. Thus the word propaganda was used. I was trying to ask , if crime is down, why are rehabilition centers over flowing ? I would think if one is 'down' , so is the other.
I personaly see the problem here is the word and defination of reabilitation is the manifesto and has been for far to long. A superiour manifesto to use , correction. Corporal punishment should be used to attain correction. Youth offenders possibility can start by doing public service on the old chain gang. (no gym needed then)Prisons built in the high artic,could be cost effective. Prime time, pay for view capitial punishment for the most heienous of crimes to society. (may fund the correctional programs)