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Title: U.S. Missiles Deployed Near China Send a Message
Category: Military
Posted By: Scape
Date: 2010-07-08 06:46:06

[GreenTiger]

I think there will be a new cold war with China especially if China insists on this 20% Arctic rights business.

[KorbenDeck]

If a cold war does start than a trade war follows and China would lose any trade war.

[andyt]

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

If a cold war does start than a trade war follows and China would lose any trade war.

Really. Where would Americans buy all their cheap consumer crap from? They wouldn't have much stomach for war if it means not being able to shop at Walmart. There'd be a revolution.

[GreenTiger]

Obama might be viewing this as a big fly swatter to splat the Mighty Midget in Pymyang. The Dear Leader is a rather annoying fly.

[GreenTiger]

andyt andyt:

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

If a cold war does start than a trade war follows and China would lose any trade war.

Really. Where would Americans buy all their cheap consumer crap from? They wouldn't have much stomach for war if it means not being able to shop at Walmart. There'd be a revolution.

No, we would just switch to Target.

[andyt]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

andyt andyt:

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

If a cold war does start than a trade war follows and China would lose any trade war.

Really. Where would Americans buy all their cheap consumer crap from? They wouldn't have much stomach for war if it means not being able to shop at Walmart. There'd be a revolution.

No, we would just switch to Target.

And Target only sells stuff made in the US, does it?

[KorbenDeck]

andyt andyt:

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

If a cold war does start than a trade war follows and China would lose any trade war.

Really. Where would Americans buy all their cheap consumer crap from? They wouldn't have much stomach for war if it means not being able to shop at Walmart. There'd be a revolution.

From India, Philippines, and Vietnam etc. Plus it all the USA would have to do is wage a very aggressive PR campaign against China, remember people are sheep. Make China looks like the big bad wolf (which shouldn't be hard to do) and people will stop buying their crap. It wouldn't take long for the USA to find itself another supplier of cheap goods since corporations would be quick to get new factories up and running in some other Asian country.

[mentalfloss]

For some reason all I could think of after reading that article was...

[Zipperfish]

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

From India, Philippines, and Vietnam etc. Plus it all the USA would have to do is wage a very aggressive PR campaign against China, remember people are sheep. Make China looks like the big bad wolf (which shouldn't be hard to do) and people will stop buying their crap.

I remember Lou Dobbs--the whackjob at CNN--would alwsy say "Communist China" innsteasd of China, and every single time he said it, he showed this same stock footage that looked something like this.




It was so camp, it was hilarious.

The US can poke all it wants, China will not come out to play right now. They've got a gargantuan trade surplus with the US and are primarily internally focussed right now.

Here is a pictorial rendition of how the US is behaving ion the Pacific theatre.

[GreenTiger]

Anything outside of Walmart would be an improvement, but yes a lot of Target's stuff is from Vietnam and Bangledesh, there probably is some trash from China though.

I think This might have to do with the Mighty Midget from Pymyang
rather than China itself.

[Thanos]

Strategically default on the debt owed to the Chinese banks and watch their entire paper tiger economy collapse practically overnight. It'll be awesome to behold and should be more than enough to take care of the supposed next great 'enemy'.

We can always buy our precious cheap plastic WalMart crap from elsewhere anyway.

[Regina]

Why do they need to deploy missles? Couple of nuke subs parked on their front door not enough?

[Khar]

EDIT: Darn, kind of beat to the thought again today. I should learn to type faster.

Talk of Wal-Mart and Target aside, neither nation would want problems between them, which is why more or less rhetoric from both the US and China to each other has been markedly toned down for a while. Even in this case the responses from officials from both China and the US have been quite subdued, in myopinion.

China may have a ton of exports going to the US, but the US is also their chief debtor -- the currency which the Chinese would prefer not to move wildly is the American dollar. A while back, when a Treasury Official said "Currency manipulation" they went insane for that reason. That credit is a chief part of China's financial standing and destabilizing it would be a massive problem for the Chinese as well as the Americans. It doesn't matter which side would be hurt first or hurt more, neither side wants that to happen at the moment since what would happen would have ramifications far beyond what they could tolerate.

I remember a comic I saw some time ago by an American political cartoonist, which explained the modern (possibly economic-oriented, I honestly forget the specifics) relationship of China in three steps. The first was suspicious looks, the second was a tentative handshake, and the third had Uncle Sam's hand thrust into the chest of the Chinese Dragon with surprised looks on both of their faces. That representation of the codependency present between the two nations is one I've always through back to because it represents a situation inherent to current China-American relations, and is one of the reasons why China is willing to finance American debt. I'm not saying this is a permanent solution or that we won't see changes, I just think it's kind of jumping the gun to say one side will suffer more and hence the other side would see it as worth it. At the moment, both sides right now would suffer more than they could tolerate, imo -- and whether things remain that congenial, improve, or what have you in the future, I have zero clue.

$1:

Why do they need to deploy missles? Couple of nuke subs parked on their front door not enough?

The article mentions that it contradicts aims to reduce nuclear armament, since they replaced those Trident warheads with this setup specifically. The rest is just increasing “presence” to make the other folks in the region less antsy about China and more secure overall, as is mentioned in the article and likely as evidenced by the locations of these new subs, but the latter bit is just my mind going for a bit of a wander.

[ShepherdsDog]

andyt andyt:

KorbenDeck KorbenDeck:

If a cold war does start than a trade war follows and China would lose any trade war.

Really. Where would Americans buy all their cheap consumer crap from? They wouldn't have much stomach for war if it means not being able to shop at Walmart. There'd be a revolution.

pretty sure that India would be willing to fill that role...and there's still Mexico.