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Title: Russ Williams' profile: A distinguished military man
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2010-02-10 01:43:04
Canadian

[Heavy_Metal]

this is going to be one barn burner of a trial

[stokes]

I dont think there will be a trial, indications are that he confessed and took police to the body of Ms. Lloyd, the only think left is for him to plead guilty so we can throw away the key, the sooner the better so this black-eye on the military heals quickly

[Heavy_Metal]

hope he enjoys club Ed

[Yogi]

Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:

hope he enjoys club Ed

My thinking is that this is/will be a civil case, hence not military prison. Or were you referring to Edmonton Max? Kingston comes to mind.
In any regard, likely he is going to 'cop a plea' and clear up a few other unsolved disappearances.

[EyeBrock]

I don't even think this is a 'black-eye' for the military. Predators lie in every level of society, in every profession including mine.
My main observation on this is how police services are still ‘islands of policing’ as Justice Campbell noted in the 1996 Bernado investigation review, or the ‘Campbell Report’:

$1:

“Virtually every interjurisdictional serial killer case including Sutcliffe (the Yorkshire Ripper) and Black (the cross-border child killer) in England, Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer in the United States and Clifford Olsen in Canada, demonstrate the same problems and raise the same questions. And always the answer turns out to be the same - systemic failure. Always the problems turn out to be the same, the mistakes the same, and the systemic failures the same.
What is needed is a system of case management for major and inter-jurisdictional serial predator investigations, a system that corrects the defects demonstrated by this and so many similar cases.
A case management system is needed that is based on cooperation,rather than rivalry, among law enforcement agencies. A case management system is needed that depends on specialized training, early recognition of linked offences, co-ordination of inter-disciplinary and forensic resources, and some simple
mechanisms to ensure unified management, accountability and co-ordination when
serial predators cross police borders.”

What disappoints me in this case is that the police have barely changed the way they have done business since the Bernardo investigation.

In Canada all you have to do to remain undetected as a serial killer/rapist is move frequently.
Police services still don’t share information and there still isn’t the national infrastructure in place that will identify an offenders particular M.O from a crime committed in Nova Scotia to the very same crime/M.O being committed in BC or Belleville.

Col Williams moved frequently and I’d bet next months pay that there are similar offences/unsolved sexual assaults and missing persons cases that will be linked to him.

I’ll be watching this one with great interest.

[Yogi]

Definitely not a 'black eye' for the Military. And anyone who would suggest otherwise is a total idiot! This is 'the man' not 'the machine'.

[QBC]

I don't think this is a black eye to the military either. He was a predator that just happened to end up in the military, his job is of no real consequence as I see it. Sick bastard, that's all....

[EyeBrock]

QBC, I think his job is of investigative interest but bears no relation to the reputation of the Canadian Forces.

As I mentioned on my last post, we should be asking questions why these very serious offences were not linked sooner. Justice Campbell told us back in 1996 why. Little has changed.

Col Williams is a very intelligent person. If he read that report he would have had a road map on how to avoid police investigations.

http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.c ... ummary.pdf

As usual the idiots in our media like Don Martin are ready to throw mud at the CF and go on about 'morale' problems arising out of this.

I'm sure there will be shock within the CF at this but this is more of a comment on the lack of investigative cohesion in Canada's police agencies than it is an indictment of the military.

If the media had an ounce of grey matter they would see that.

[Regina]

The case against the colonel: 'Lingerie break-ins' and a 'treasure trove' of photo evidence

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le1462386/

Seems like he's talking.

[stokes]

Yogi Yogi:

Definitely not a 'black eye' for the Military. And anyone who would suggest otherwise is a total idiot! This is 'the man' not 'the machine'.

To suggest that I am an idiot is completely uncalled for, I work in recruiting and some dad walked in here yesterday with his daughter and asked that her file be shredded because he was concerned about the type of people she would work with. I've seen it first hand, so I can call it a black eye because whether you believe it or not Yogi, we sometimes get painted with the same brush

[stokes]

Yogi Yogi:

Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:

hope he enjoys club Ed

My thinking is that this is/will be a civil case, hence not military prison. Or were you referring to Edmonton Max? Kingston comes to mind.
In any regard, likely he is going to 'cop a plea' and clear up a few other unsolved disappearances.

As a member of the military it is possible for him to serve his first two years at Club Ed unless he is given his release first.

[Lemmy]

Eyebrock makes valid comparisons to the Bernardo case. Another parallel to the Bernardo case involves the media frenzy and the right to a fair trial. How, given that the media has already convicted this guy, can they ever expect to find an impartial jury? I see this being a LONG, LONG, LONG drawn-out affair.

[andyt]

stokes stokes:

Yogi Yogi:

Definitely not a 'black eye' for the Military. And anyone who would suggest otherwise is a total idiot! This is 'the man' not 'the machine'.

To suggest that I am an idiot is completely uncalled for, I work in recruiting and some dad walked in here yesterday with his daughter and asked that her file be shredded because he was concerned about the type of people she would work with. I've seen it first hand, so I can call it a black eye because whether you believe it or not Yogi, we sometimes get painted with the same brush

The military does seem to have higher than civilian cases of sexual assault, or so I read in the paper. So dad is probably right to be concerned.

But, Bernardo was a middle class guy (forget his occupation). Is he a black eye for the middle class, or all of Canada. OTOH, you'd have to apply the same logic when military personnel do something positive - ie it's not a credit to all the military, just this one good apple.

[Yogi]

stokes stokes:

Yogi Yogi:

Definitely not a 'black eye' for the Military. And anyone who would suggest otherwise is a total idiot! This is 'the man' not 'the machine'.

To suggest that I am an idiot is completely uncalled for, I work in recruiting and some dad walked in here yesterday with his daughter and asked that her file be shredded because he was concerned about the type of people she would work with. I've seen it first hand, so I can call it a black eye because whether you believe it or not Yogi, we sometimes get painted with the same brush

WHOA!! Back up!! I am not saying that YOU are an idiot. I stated, and reiterate that anyone who gives the military a 'black eye' because of the horrendous actions of one person is an idiot! I read and understood your post quite clearly! 'I' see that you 'noted' that OTHERS blame the military as a whole. They are idiots!