[Newsbot]

Title: Deportations from Canada surge 50 per cent
Category: World
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2009-10-12 21:16:46
Canadian

[ridenrain]

..so this is a problem?

[ShepherdsDog]

yeah...they've only increased by 50%.

[Public_Domain]

[tritium]

If a refugee is working and giving back to society, they should be able to stay.

However, if they have a criminal record, or commit a crime while in Canada... I think they should get the boot.

I think Canada needs to concentrate on new arrivals and confirming their background.

Deporting Portuguese painters, and kidnaping their children to force the parents to come forward won't make Canada any safer or better.

[leewgrant]

$1:

"These facts contradict it and that's what people who work with refugees know -- that this is a daily business, a daily experience that claimants are very routinely removed from Canada."

There are a lot of heart strings being tugged in this story. A lot of conjecture from people who make their living from the refugee program.

It's easy to get into Canada and therefore you would expect a lot of rejected claims. Unfortunately those who assist refugees often leave the impression that no matter how much of a scumbag you are there are some counties you should not be deported to.

$1:

"This totally contradicts people who continue to say in the media that claimants are never deported from Canada. Once you put your foot on Canadian soil, you can stay here forever," said Janet Dench, the council's executive director.

Good. Might cut down on the claimants.

[gonavy47]

I hope they got their hug first, before they were deported. No hard feelings. Just f-off.

[Lemmy]

This is one of those areas where peoples' knee-jerk reactions and media sensationalism combine to create false impressions. We hear about the few immigrants and refugees who don't follow our laws and we immediately react with fear and anger toward immigrants in general. The facts bear out that immigrants to Canada have a LOWER crime rate than native-born Canadians.

"In Canada, we know that (federal) incarceration rates have been lower for the foreign born than for the native born, throughout the post-war period. (This was NOT the case in the pre-war period, when immigrants were overwhelmingly white European and very over-represented in penitentiaries.) We also know that perception of the issue -- associating criminality with immigrants -- is not a new phenomenon in Canadian history, and has been fuelled by racism and xenophobia." -
http://canada.metropolis.net/index_e.html

Immigration is, and always has been, the cornerstone of Canada's economic growth. That said, any immigrant or refugee convicted of a crime in Canada ought to be deported. That includes those who've become Canadian citizens as well. I say if you break the law, you lose your citizenship and/or your residency. But it isn't all "lose" for criminal-immigrants in my world: you win is a boat ride back to where you came from.

[gonavy47]

I don't have any hard feelings towards immigrants in general. Just the ones who falsify claims, or commit crimes in this country,(or their's). I just get that ol' knee-jerk reaction when it involves those types. My grandfather was an immigrant, who saw fit to immediately go to war for this country in 1915, and was wounded in France. My father was the only one of his family to be born here, and he was on the first troopship to England in 1939. He was wounded in Holland. So I don't have a problem with immigrants, if they uphold the law. No "false immpressions" here.

[ASLplease]

gangs are formed from immigrants that have to work so hard...their children grow up unsupervised.

In a sense, its our fault for not providing better working conditions.

[Lemmy]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

I don't have any hard feelings towards immigrants in general. Just the ones who falsify claims, or commit crimes in this country,(or their's). I just get that ol' knee-jerk reaction when it involves those types. My grandfather was an immigrant, who saw fit to immediately go to war for this country in 1915, and was wounded in France. My father was the only one of his family to be born here, and he was on the first troopship to England in 1939. He was wounded in Holland. So I don't have a problem with immigrants, if they uphold the law. No "false immpressions" here.

I apologize if my post seemed to ascribe "false impressions" on your part, gonavy47. I was speaking of public opinion in general. My parents are immigrants too, btw; but they came from the right side of Hadrian's Wall.

[gonavy47]

Lemmy Lemmy:

gonavy47 gonavy47:

I don't have any hard feelings towards immigrants in general. Just the ones who falsify claims, or commit crimes in this country,(or their's). I just get that ol' knee-jerk reaction when it involves those types. My grandfather was an immigrant, who saw fit to immediately go to war for this country in 1915, and was wounded in France. My father was the only one of his family to be born here, and he was on the first troopship to England in 1939. He was wounded in Holland. So I don't have a problem with immigrants, if they uphold the law. No "false immpressions" here.

I apologize if my post seemed to ascribe "false impressions" on your part, gonavy47. I was speaking of public opinion in general. My parents are immigrants too, btw; but they came from the right side of Hadrian's Wall.

No problem, mine came from the north side.

[Lemmy]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

No problem, mine came from the north side.

Tulach ard!!!

[ridenrain]

ASLplease ASLplease:

gangs are formed from immigrants that have to work so hard...their children grow up unsupervised.

In a sense, its our fault for not providing better working conditions.

..or because they never leave their ethnic and mesh into society?
I think your off definately base on this one.

[EyeBrock]

There are tens of thousands of rejected refugee claimants still in Canada, going through expensive appeals, costing us thousands in welfare and healthcare.

We are pandering to an industry that has a vested interest in keeping failed claimants here. Everytime there is another appeal process it's money from the public coffers that ends up in a lawyer's or immigration 'consultant's pockets.

Nobody has the political balls to change it.

One appeal process. If your claim fails you go into a secure facility prior to deportation, then gone.

There are plenty of decent people trying to get to Canada and plenty of real refugees who we should be letting in. Kick out the liars and cheats, quickly.