[Newsbot]

Title: Federal Tories pull away in new poll
Category: Political
Posted By: gigs
Date: 2009-09-26 10:48:38
Canadian

[OnTheIce]

"Liberals' soft ad approach questioned"

you mean, these ads don't work? NO WAY!

[leewgrant]

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The poll found that 27 per cent of Canadians favoured Harper as prime minister, compared to 16 per cent for Ignatieff and 12 per cent for NDP Leader Jack Layton.

Polls change but the reality is that after nine months as leader Iganatieff is just not making an impact on the public. He comes across as confused, professorial, he has nothing to offer in the way of policy and the Outremont fiasco was simply amateur hour.

[Apollo]

leewgrant leewgrant:

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The poll found that 27 per cent of Canadians favoured Harper as prime minister, compared to 16 per cent for Ignatieff and 12 per cent for NDP Leader Jack Layton.

Polls change but the reality is that after nine months as leader Iganatieff is just not making an impact on the public. He comes across as confused, professorial, he has nothing to offer in the way of policy and the Outremont fiasco was simply amateur hour.

I wonder how Americans feel about him?

[Scape]

I wonder if the poll was held in riding's that are getting the stimulus.

[Apollo]

Scape Scape:

I wonder if the poll was held in riding's that are getting the stimulus.

Those riding members wouldn't have a clue anyway. Toronto received hundreds of millions of dollars in stimulus and transit transferres and they still think they got nothing. How many Conservatives were voted in during the past election in the GTA? ZERO!

[leewgrant]

Apollo Apollo:

leewgrant leewgrant:

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The poll found that 27 per cent of Canadians favoured Harper as prime minister, compared to 16 per cent for Ignatieff and 12 per cent for NDP Leader Jack Layton.

Polls change but the reality is that after nine months as leader Iganatieff is just not making an impact on the public. He comes across as confused, professorial, he has nothing to offer in the way of policy and the Outremont fiasco was simply amateur hour.

I wonder how Americans feel about him?

In the eyes of the US he is an egg-head professor and in the eyes of the Brits a late-night talk show host.

Only in Canada he is considered relevant.

[gigs]

Scape Scape:

I wonder if the poll was held in riding's that are getting the stimulus.

I'm sure they hit a couple of them.

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[Scape]

Too bad they missed the construction season and won't have any impact till 2010 and the work must be completed by 2011. $10 billion dollars and 100,000 jobs was put on hold because the gas tax transfer was not implemented.

I loled at this

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Here’s what the report found on job creation:

• Eight months after it was announced, less than 1% of all projects have actually received any funds at all from the federal government.

• Only 4,800 of the intended 40,000 jobs across the country have been created.

• Since the January budget, the Harper government’s main job creation fund’s output is a rate of 160 jobs a week, while jobs are being lost at a pace of 5,800 a week.

• Only 12% of the main infrastructure stimulus fund is in construction. Fully 88% of the promised dollars remain stuck in a politicized, red-tape ridden process created by the Harper government. Of this, the equivalent of 9% of funds have reached a pre-construction phase and may yet occur in 2009, leaving 80% in doubt for any construction or jobs this year.

• In its January budget, the Harper government said it would create 190,000 jobs through increased government spending. In June, it said its infrastructure spending would generate between 120,000 and 132,000 jobs. In fact, since January, 174,600 jobs have been lost, 70,900 of them in construction. In total, since last October, 408,400 jobs have been lost, 108,300 of them construction jobs.

Here’s what the report found on partisanship:

• In Ontario, the Conservatives promised 15% more dollars on average to their own ridings ($13.1 million) from the Infrastructure Stimulus Fund (ISF) and the Recreation Facilities fund (RinC) combined, compared to $11.1 million average for Liberal-held ridings.

• In British Columbia, Conservative ridings garnered more than fourteen times as much funds as opposition ridings ($11.3 million to $800,000) from the ISF.

• In Quebec, Conservative ridings received 2.68 times more projects per riding on average than opposition ridings.

• In the stimulus program for rehabilitation of community and recreation centres, the $500-million RInC, eighteen out of the top twenty ridings by number of projects granted in Ontario are held by Conservatives.

• Industry Minister Tony Clement, the minister responsible for the RInC program in Ontario, gave his own riding the second most projects with 28, four times the provincial average.

• The average RInC grant for Conservative ridings in Ontario was $2.1 million, 33% higher than opposition ridings.

• In the RInC program, Rob Merrifield, Minister of State for Transport secured $1.4million for his riding and Jim Prentice, Minister of the Environment secured $1.7 million. These 2 ministers had 2 out of the top 3 ridings receiving funding, 5-6 times the average riding funding.

• In the $1.2-billion Building Canada Fund, in the Communities component for cities and towns under 100,000 population, Conservative ridings in 5 electorally competitive provinces (NS, Ontario, PEI, BC, MB) received an average of $8.8 million, compared to just $5 million for opposition-held areas.

I'm glad that there was some action to get our economy back on track though. It's a shame it got stuck in committees that were not needed. I've lost faith in the Harper government in so far that it clearly is business as usual when it comes to action. I'm not sold that ANY of the other parties really have much better to offer but they are not the government and I do expect results not rhetoric. The Harper government has been shown to be flat footed when it comes to an economic plan and they have not shown they are capable of taking initiative unless forced.

[gigs]

Liberal source. I'm sure it's all researched as well as the baseball field

[Scape]

Like the timeline?

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5. Breach of Trust - Timeline of failure

October – Prime Minister Harper denies recession in Canada
November – economic statement proposes to cut funds instead of stimulus
December – Conservative government threatened with defeat, prorogues House to escape

January - Construction association and Federation of Canadian Municipalities
call for direct transfer of funds through gas tax program
January 27 - Conservative government early budget pledge $7 billion in Infrastructure,
budget sets May 27th as deadline for stimulus spending
March 3 – Parliament passes motion to distribute half of stimulus fund through gas tax,
Conservative MPs vote against
March 26 – budget bill passed
April – fiscal year Construction season begins
Announcements
No funds distributed
May – applications begin in some provinces
No funds distributed
June – announcements
No funds distributed
July – announcements
No funds distributed
August – announcements
<1% of funds distributed
September
Construction of just 12% value of the program has begun

Keep in mind that this was the government that was elected on the back of the 100k adscam that was to keep the country together and this is a 10 Billion dollar stimulus to keep the economy together. They missed the boat and now it won't be till next year that this is underway. Of the money that was earmarked that went to Harper's seats and not to the areas in the country that could use the money the most. Seriously gigs, this is not a time for politics as usual we need the government to be competent here as we are still not out of the woods here and furthermore the government has no way to effectively apply the brakes either to prevent inflation. They had no plan before and they are simply throwing money at their own riding's now.

[OnTheIce]

Scape Scape:

Like the timeline?

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5. Breach of Trust - Timeline of failure

October – Prime Minister Harper denies recession in Canada
November – economic statement proposes to cut funds instead of stimulus
December – Conservative government threatened with defeat, prorogues House to escape

January - Construction association and Federation of Canadian Municipalities
call for direct transfer of funds through gas tax program
January 27 - Conservative government early budget pledge $7 billion in Infrastructure,
budget sets May 27th as deadline for stimulus spending
March 3 – Parliament passes motion to distribute half of stimulus fund through gas tax,
Conservative MPs vote against
March 26 – budget bill passed
April – fiscal year Construction season begins
Announcements
No funds distributed
May – applications begin in some provinces
No funds distributed
June – announcements
No funds distributed
July – announcements
No funds distributed
August – announcements
<1% of funds distributed
September
Construction of just 12% value of the program has begun

Keep in mind that this was the government that was elected on the back of the 100k adscam that was to keep the country together and this is a 10 Billion dollar stimulus to keep the economy together. They missed the boat and now it won't be till next year that this is underway. Of the money that was earmarked that went to Harper's seats and not to the areas in the country that could use the money the most. Seriously gigs, this is not a time for politics as usual we need the government to be competent here as we are still not out of the woods here and furthermore the government has no way to effectively apply the brakes either to prevent inflation. They had no plan before and they are simply throwing money at their own riding's now.

That was a fantastic piece of dribble. You usually don't spout that type of partisan crap.

Let's use a little common sense for just a second.

You don't dish out BILLIONS in project overnight just to coincide with "construction" season. That would be irresponsible. Had they done that, Harper would have been slammed for lack of accountability, etc etc. You know it and I know it.

Second, many of these projects need approval(s), environmental assessments and permits. These don't happen overnight and aren't skipped over just for the sake of rushing to meet a season. You don't just throw down a swimming pool nor are citites and workers just sitting in an office just waiting for a call to come in when the money arrives. THESE THINGS TAKE TIME!

To say that they're just "throwing money" at their own ridings is misleading and false.

When all is said and done, we have an economy on the rise, directly attributed to this stimulus (according to the Bank of Canada) regardless of how fast it's being pushed out and when the money really kicks in towards the end of 2009 and into 2010 things will get even better and places all around Canada will have new facilities, new roads and new jobs.

People have said we have to beware that our economy might slip into 2010 if we don't maintain the stimulus. Considering a ton of money will be going out for projects in 2010 I think we're very posed to weather any dip in our economy next year.

Your "Timeline of Failure" in itself, is a failure.

Canada's economy is on the rise and we're doing much better than anyone predicted and much better than our counterparts in the World.

This is more about nit-picking and headline grabbing that actual progress because while the bitching and moaning's going on from the left, Canada's moving forward and leaving the politicking behind.

[Proculation]

The only thing the "stimulus" stimulated is the debt.

[OnTheIce]

Proculation Proculation:

The only thing the "stimulus" stimulated is the debt.

(sigh)

And the reason we're climbing out of a recession better than anyone thought we would was just pure magic.

Just "poof". Look, it's all better.

[Proculation]

Because our economy was solid and sound and because a recession lasts between 1 to 1.5 years, maybe ? You actually said in your last post that the "stimulus" did nothing since almost nothing was spent. So, the government threw our money out of the window for nothing.