Kinda. But how many other news anchors in the US will do what he just did? That is, get the truth from the horse's mouth.
DerbyX
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:07 am
They didn't handle the question concerning small businesses paying "hundreds and hundreds of dollars for employee health" well. It should have been made absolutely clear that any health plan employers offer is entirely their own choice. Most if not all of them charge their employees an insurance premium (like mine does) and if they are paying out of pocket its because the claims exceed the payments. As Ujjal said health care is covered by general revenue taxes and any provincial health premium charged. Employers aren't being charged directly by the government like they are for EI unless provinces other then Ontario are doing this then I think that claim was made up by someone trying to find fault with our system.
A few years ago when auto manufacturers were closing US manufacturing centres yet expanding or keeping Canadians ones they pointed directly to providing health care for their US workers as the primary factor.
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:13 am
I have satellite radio and unfortunately I get stuck listening to CNN and Fox News quite a bit simply because they’re really are no Canadian news networks. I can’ believe the amount of disinformation the networks are spreading not only about Canadian health care but pubic and private health care in general and the biggest problem is that Americans are getting bs info from both the left and right leaning media.
CNN was al in a huff because they were claiming that old people in Canada can be denied health services due to their age, Fox was rambling on about how it takes years to get into see a doctor, HNN was raising the flag of caution because they were claiming that if the system went public it would cost untold trillions and in the end would result in all medical research coming to a halt.
No wonder people in the US are afraid of public health care considering the information that is being feed to them. The funny thing is that most of the arguments being raised against public health care could also be associated and used as arguments against private health care. I know the thing over Michael Jackson was nuts but the level of fear mongering being done on this subject by the US media outlets really takes the cake. It’s down right disgusting.
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dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:
I have satellite radio and unfortunately I get stuck listening to CNN and Fox News quite a bit simply because they’re really are no Canadian news networks. I can’ believe the amount of disinformation the networks are spreading not only about Canadian health care but pubic and private health care in general and the biggest problem is that Americans are getting bs info from both the left and right leaning media.
CNN was al in a huff because they were claiming that old people in Canada can be denied health services due to their age, Fox was rambling on about how it takes years to get into see a doctor, HNN was raising the flag of caution because they were claiming that if the system went public it would cost untold trillions and in the end would result in all medical research coming to a halt.
No wonder people in the US are afraid of public health care considering the information that is being feed to them. The funny thing is that most of the arguments being raised against public health care could also be associated and used as arguments against private health care. I know the thing over Michael Jackson was nuts but the level of fear mongering being done on this subject by the US media outlets really takes the cake. It’s down right disgusting.
That was a myth that Americans were spreading about the health care system in the UK as well. They had a minister who responded about that in a bit more angry fashion then Ujjag. Short version was he said it was complete nonsense but then pointed out that the US system lets people who can't afford treatment die all the time regardless of age.
You own a business Dino. Does your business pay government mandated health care premiums for your employees or is any health plan you offer part of their compensation package by choice?
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:07 am
Far less slanted than this bit of right wing propaganda;
It's not like "Usual Dosage" has anything else to do. Him and Oppal might not survive the next election, reguardless of the support Iggy sends their way.
Boot: You'd prefer Mikey Moore? Is he more objective for ya? Here's more from Steve Crowder:
It's not like they made this up.. unlike Moore's crap.
bootlegga
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ridenrain ridenrain:
It's not like "Usual Dosage" has anything else to do. Him and Oppal might not survive the next election, reguardless of the support Iggy sends their way.
Boot: You'd prefer Mikey Moore? Is he more objective for ya? Here's more from Steve Crowder:
It's not like they made this up.. unlike Moore's crap.
That's not made up?!? Give your head a shake. In his "expose'", he constantly calls it socialized health care, not universal health care. That shows his political bias right there.
After that, his whole argument is basically, "Quebec medicare is Canadian medicare" which is totally not true. That's like me saying all Americans live in slums because I visited the Bronx once. You and I both know that health care falls under provinical jurisdiction and what happens in Quebec doesn't necessarily happen everywhere in Canada. In Edmonton, there are clinics open 7 days a week, many until late at night, each night.
Where is Crowder's mention of that? Oh yeah, it wouldn't fit into his narrow political agenda and is therefore totally ignored. He isn't any better than Moore IMHO.
Triage can't be all that bad, army medical hospitals use it all the time. Critical medical patients get priority care, while those who show up with a cough, a headache or a sore wrist go to the back of the line, which is as it should be. My sister works in a medical centre here in Edmonton and triage has five levels with 1 being life threatening (could die very soon) to 5 being non-essential (like a cold). Makes sense to me.
Besides, going to the emergency room for a sprained wrist? Fuck, take an Advil or two and if it still hurts in couple of hours, then go in.
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CNN was al in a huff because they were claiming that old people in Canada can be denied health services due to their age.
They can't be denied services but some new family doctors will not take older patients due to the percieved extra workload and services that older people might need. My mother and father had their doctor retire and when looking for a new doctor were turned down by several before finally being accepted by one.
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