[Newsbot]

Title: Russians say Canada ally - not rival - in Arctic sovereignty fight
Category: World
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2009-06-30 21:22:54
Canadian

[Canadian_Mind]

Makes sense, but i think we should agree that we have to hammer out our individual claims fairly between us before we'd consider being an ally in fending off other countries. Something similar to what we did with Denmark and just drawing a giant line halfway across the arctic ocean would be fine by me, we'd get fairly equal pieces of the pie.

[travior]

And we know that the Russians are 100% reliable in their statements such as this one. Riiiiiight....

[Canadaka]

we need either the US or Russia on our side, and the US has shown little sign of cooperation.

[Canadian_Mind]

Canadaka Canadaka:

we need either the US or Russia on our side, and the US has shown little sign of cooperation.

Bingo, for all their talk, it's still better than what we've been getting from the yanks. America openly contest what is established Canadian territory and wont refute their stance. The Russians seem open to negotiation, and our beef with them is soley to define a boundary, we aren't arguing over an expanse of water that one already owns and exploits. It's more similar to the situation with Denmark over the waterline between Greenland and Ellesmere Island, which is why I think we shoudl treat it the same way.

[Lemmy]

Problem is, 200 mile limits intersect and a natural resources map does not consult a political map. Multi-lateral negotiation and treaty is the only way a happy ending comes out of this.

[Scape]

Deeds not words. As far as that goes Russia track record in this matter is stellar compared to the US.

[DrCaleb]

Scape Scape:

Deeds not words. As far as that goes Russia track record in this matter is stellar compared to the US.

To go from the Kara sea to the Leptev Sea in the Russian Arctic, the 'easy' way takes you through a narrow land passage. I don't recall it's name, if it has one.

The Russians don't care if you call it 'internal waters' or 'international waters'. Suit yourself as to what you call it. They have big nuclear powered ice breakers and destroyers above the water, and great big nuclear powered subs below the water, and if you want to pass that straight you will be renting heir icebreaker and their pilot.

Even in summer.

Like Bart said with Americans - don't trust them when it comes to fresh water, or land disputes. With Russians, you can trust them . . . once they are paid.

[commanderkai]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Like Bart said with Americans - don't trust them when it comes to fresh water, or land disputes. With Russians, you can trust them . . . once they are paid.

Isn't Russian capitalism great?

[kenmore]

Well you can trust the Americans about as much as you can the Russians when it comes to wanting Canadian resources and territory.... they are the same with the same goal... oil, water and land....

[Canadian_Mind]

kenmore kenmore:

Well you can trust the Americans about as much as you can the Russians when it comes to wanting Canadian resources and territory.... they are the same with the same goal... oil, water and land....

Least the Russians show a willingness to negtiate vs the American attitude of "ours or bust."

I trust niether, but if one is willing to open a door of opportunity, take it. Nothing stopping us from walking away from the table if things go wrong.

[tritium]

Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer.

Partner with Russia I say...

[herbie]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Scape Scape:

Deeds not words. As far as that goes Russia track record in this matter is stellar compared to the US.

To go from the Kara sea to the Leptev Sea in the Russian Arctic, the 'easy' way takes you through a narrow land passage. I don't recall it's name, if it has one.

The Russians don't care if you call it 'internal waters' or 'international waters'. Suit yourself as to what you call it. They have big nuclear powered ice breakers and destroyers above the water, and great big nuclear powered subs below the water, and if you want to pass that straight you will be renting heir icebreaker and their pilot.

Even in summer.

Like Bart said with Americans - don't trust them when it comes to fresh water, or land disputes. With Russians, you can trust them . . . once they are paid.

Which is exactly how we should run the NWP. You pay a pilotage fee and abide by our laws. NATO ships get Cdn escorts. Anyone elses warships PAY for the escort. Commercial ships take on a pilot and pay costs to cover transit plus S&R. And if we say no fucking oil tankers expect your oil tanker to be physically blocked from entry.

[Proculation]

Better dead than red.

[Canadian_Mind]

How is that relevant?