"When men proclaim themselves to be absolute masters of themselves and sole masters of creation, can they truly build a society where freedom, justice and peace reign?,"
Umm ya, isnt that what most democratic counties base their constitutions on?
Arctic_Menace
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:50 pm
It's also called: "People are waking up and realizing that they don't need religion to be good people, to be happy in their lives, or to explain thigns that they don't understand."
Blue_Nose
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:58 pm
I think a better question is, when men proclaim themselves to be bound only by the perceived will of their personal God, can they truly build a society where freedom, justice and peace reign?
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:11 pm
Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:
It's also called: "People are waking up and realizing that they don't need religion to be good people, to be happy in their lives, or to explain thigns that they don't understand."
Agreed
It is all about Karma.
Arctic_Menace
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:32 pm
How does karma enter into it? :S
Wada
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:39 pm
My question: How many godless Popes have we had to endure?
roger-roger
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:40 pm
huh?
Wada
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:46 pm
We as a society have had to endure the unpleasantness of many "Godless" Popes but that part of history is convienient to forget for some.
Arctic_Menace
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:49 pm
Wada Wada:
We as a society have had to endure the unpleasantness of many "Godless" Popes but that part of history is convienient to forget for some.
Care to give us some examples?
roger-roger
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:50 pm
I am still trying to understand the concept of a "Godless Pope". Isnt being a follower of Yahweh kind of prerequisite for being pope?
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:55 pm
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
I am still trying to understand the concept of a "Godless Pope". Isnt being a follower of Yahweh kind of prerequisite for being pope?
Lately, yes. But to the Medici's, the only quality that mattered was fealty to their family and a lack of aversion to depravities that would have made Caligula blush.
commanderkai
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:17 pm
Eisensapper Eisensapper:
I am still trying to understand the concept of a "Godless Pope". Isnt being a follower of Yahweh kind of prerequisite for being pope?
Actually I think he's referring to anti-Popes, Popes who acted in their own self interests instead of the interests of the church. Wiki probably has a few listed
roger-roger
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:00 pm
Meh I find that all people act with some form of self interest.
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