[Newsbot]

Title: Huge ice sheet could melt much faster than thought, raise sea levels
Category: Environmental
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2008-08-31 19:54:50
Canadian

[stokes]

So what there saying is that the earth is getting warmer like it has in the past and even if we stopped the emissionof all green house gases there is no way we could stop this from happening, because they have a past history to go by!

[DerbyX]

stokes stokes:

So what there saying is that the earth is getting warmer like it has in the past and even if we stopped the emissionof all green house gases there is no way we could stop this from happening, because they have a past history to go by!

Except that is faulty logic. The fact that we were warmer in the past does not mean that humanity isn't unnaturally causing this warming or that we are exacerbating the cycle. In addition, what about the affects on the earth of a warmer temp? Obviously the earth survived but how many areas now heavily populated by humans were rendered unihabitable by our standards. Sure the earth rebounded but are we willing to accept conditions that obliterate select coastal regions twice a year and flood island chains we vacation on?

Once the earth was a ball of volcanic rock. Would we shrug our shoulders and say its only natural if what we were doing was causing the earth to shift towards that again?

Using the "its natural" explantion simply ignores the fact that humanity is having an effect above and beyond the normal natural cycle as we have at every opportunity.

Take fish stocks. They naturally existed at large numbers for all recorded history yet humanity comes along and lo and behold we nearly fish them to extinction.

How did that happen? Hundreads of years ago they were in abundance. Why are they suddenly dissapearing? Whats the connection?

The earth might not be destroyed but it might not be able to adapt in a way we like and it might just cause devestation we find unacceptable and the cost to avoid this might just be the environmental equivalent of game stock conservation and for the same reasons.

[Tman1]

Derby's under the influence again...Only he can make a well reasoned and thought out response with some jellow shooters and a stripper at his side.

[DerbyX]

Tman1 Tman1:

Derby's under the influence again...Only a well reasoned and thought out response is the conclusion.

I'm not as tink as you drunk I am.

[Tman1]

ahh you responded after I made a edited zinger.

[Tman1]

In anycase, watch Waterworld if you want icesheets melting.

[DerbyX]

Tman1 Tman1:

ahh you responded after I made a edited zinger.

Beer makes me sharper.

Does anybody here remember the WKRP episode where Jonhny is "demonstrating" the effects of drinking on reflexes but the more he drinks the faster he gets?

[Tman1]

Sorry, not that old.

[DerbyX]

Tman1 Tman1:

Sorry, not that old.

In Germany we saw everything a few years later so don't lump me into the ziggy category!

[Gunnair]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Tman1 Tman1:

ahh you responded after I made a edited zinger.

Beer makes me sharper.

Does anybody here remember the WKRP episode where Jonhny is "demonstrating" the effects of drinking on reflexes but the more he drinks the faster he gets?

Yes.

[Scape]

The North Pole becomes an 'island' for the first time in history as ice melts

[stokes]

Hey i'm not saying that the human race is not having an impact but it makes this whole global warming thing less urgent if it is known that the planet goes through these natural warming and cooling cycles. I am all for finding cleaner sources of energy (I work on engines, I know how dirty they are) and for recycling, but really how much of this is hype and how much is actual fact that we are "The Cause".

That is my point in all of this, the planet warms, the planet cools how can any of us say with 100% certainty that it is only warming now because of humans but yet we lack any scientific data from the last warming cycle.

sorry but I dont feel the need to panic about all of this and I live on the coast. there is nothing wrong with doing things cleaner and more efficiently but I am not going to lose my mind over it.

[ziggy]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Tman1 Tman1:

Sorry, not that old.

In Germany we saw everything a few years later so don't lump me into the ziggy category!

But with age comes wisdom and experience.

At my age I have disturbed mother earth many times and it allways amazes me how theres a natural balance going on all the time.No matter what you do,mother nature will do what she wants,it gets a half a degree warmer,some ice melts,oceans rise,the planets orbit smooths out and the climate changes,then the whole process repeats itself.

It will happen again as it has many times and if people dont want their coastal cities flooded then stop building there.

You can initiate as many plans,kyoto style agreements and carbon credit schemes you want and one huge eruption from a volcano or a strike from a radioactive meteorite and anything us humans did will seem miniscule as far as changing the climate go's.

I'm starting to see a trend from the climate fearmongers similiar to the 9/11 truth movement,the more these folks beak off,the less seriously their taken untill their wrote off as foilers of the environmental type.

[ziggy]

I often wonder if the Thule people who came to the Arctic did it over an ice bridge or by boat as they were sea and ocean people,living on what came from the water mostly.The only reason there's inland Inuk is because our govt. moved them there(Gjoehaven,Baker lake)back in the bad days.