[Newsbot]

Title: Liberals' carbon tax to hit electricity, home heating fuel
Category: Political
Posted By: mtbr
Date: 2008-06-17 06:40:11
Canadian

[mtbr]

Sounds like a knee jerk plan that was changed in the last few days. So the Liberals want you to sit in the dark and cold. That's how you grow mushrooms...that must be their plan for Canadians , turn us into mushrooms.

[saturn_656]

If this ends up "tax neutral" for me I really fucking amazed, what is more likely is that I will end up paying out the arse for electricity and heat and get a tiny pathetic income tax cut that doesn't even begin to cover it.

I expect most middle class Canadians will experience this. The Liberal party has seemingly made it a career goal to perpetually screw the Canadian middle class.

[ridenrain]

If you play Dion's announcements backwards, you hear Chretien saying "..and we'll remove the GST"

[Lavics]

YAY LIBERALS....fucking idiots.

$1:

Seniors, low income earners, rural residents and others who could be hurt by the new taxes will be protected through a package of income tax breaks, exemptions and credits.

Pretty much like anything else that was presented, that "tax break" was eaten by something else.

For what I can see, its exactly like what Hydro came up with. They lowered our bill all right, but brought up the delivery charge.

[warwickgreen]

$1:

Their proposed national carbon tax, to be phased in gradually over several years, would hit home heating fuel and electricity, but not gas at the pumps.

Imagine. In this climate, no carbon tax on gas to feed your Detroit clunker but you will pay it to buy home heating fuel when it is -30 outside. Back to the drawing board Stephie.

As for electricity, only if you get power from coal fired sources, not from hydro.

[stemmer]

Dion is an idiot but the bigger idiots are those Canadians who vote Liberal and believe in the myth of global warming....

[CanAm1]

the chickens are coming home to roost. and we have to clean up after them too.

[Zipperfish]

$1:

"I think Canadians want strong leadership on the environment," Liberal finance critic John McCallum"

Well--I'd say Candains want to feel good about the environment, but the concern of most Canadians stops at their wallets.

Give up on the carbon tax. Any soltuion to global warming will be a technological one.

[CanAm1]

You are right Zip. I don't believe in Global Warming but I do want to be a good steward of the environment. I also have problems with funding any taxation with my wallet just as you said. Especially when our government and the leadership of the GW cause of the day, have larger carbon footprints than anyone else.
Who though is going to tax China? Who is even going to sit down with the Chinese and demand they cease and decist with the 1800's style factories that spew far more carbon than any plant in Canada or the US???

[dino_bobba_renno]

ridenrain ridenrain:

If you play Dion's announcements backwards, you hear Chretien saying "..and we'll remove the GST"

[dino_bobba_renno]

It will be revenue neutral all right, right after they minus off the 8.whatever billion it costs to administer the program.

As for creating a greener environment? The only thing I se e this creating are a bunch of new federal jobs.

The only thing revenue neutral about in this plan is going to be my wallet after there’s nothing left in it to spend.

[BartSimpson]

Canadians don't pay enough taxes. I support this 100%.

[Zipperfish]

CanAm1 CanAm1:

You are right Zip. I don't believe in Global Warming but I do want to be a good steward of the environment. I also have problems with funding any taxation with my wallet just as you said. Especially when our government and the leadership of the GW cause of the day, have larger carbon footprints than anyone else.
Who though is going to tax China? Who is even going to sit down with the Chinese and demand they cease and decist with the 1800's style factories that spew far more carbon than any plant in Canada or the US???

Oh, I very much believe in global warming, and, to use your terminology, I think those chickens wil come home to roost and we'll have to clean upo after them. However, I don't think any tax scheme to reduce CO2 emissions is going to work. Regardelss of any tax, we're going to burn all the oil on the planet because it is by far the easiest and cheapest form of energy we have. Taxing oil will not change that, it will just change who gets the energy; it will change the distribution, whcih does nothing to change the magnitude of CO2 emissions.

My two cents worth anyways.

[uwish]

where are all the libbys?

why are they not fighting for this new tax? hey?

I am waiting for an explanation?